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Today, on the You Can Heel

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Your Life podcast, we're excited to

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share an excerpt from Kyle Gray's

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brand new audio book, Angels Are

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With You Now. In this chapter,

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Kyle reflects on the experiences that

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first opened him to

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the spiritual world, from

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childhood challenges to profound

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moments of connection with

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the unseen. His journey

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into angelic guidance and

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intuition unfolds in a powerful

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and inspiring way. Listen

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to the full audio

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premium subscription. The

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angels with us,

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unawares. Gerald Massey.

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Chapter 1 The Boy Who Sees

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Angels We, unaccustomed

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to courage, anxiety from delight, live

1:59

coiled in shells of loneliness, until

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love leaves its high holy temple,

2:04

and comes into our sight, to

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liberate us into life. Maya Angelou,

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touched by an angel. I grew

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up in the west coast of

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Scotland about 35 minutes from Glasgow

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City Centre in Inverclyde. an area

2:17

known for shipbuilding, manufacturing and as

2:19

the home of James Watt, whose

2:22

enhancements to the steam engine helped

2:24

usher in the Industrial Revolution. It's

2:26

a beautiful part of the world

2:28

running along the river Clyde as

2:30

it heads to the sea, but

2:33

it's also the wettest place in

2:35

Scotland. If it wasn't for the

2:37

drich, miserable, cloudy, cold and wet

2:39

weather... I imagine many of the

2:41

tourists to explore the area when

2:44

cruise liner stock here might one

2:46

day plan to retire here for

2:48

the views alone. On the few

2:50

days that we get sun, you'll

2:53

see people strolling along the Esplanade

2:55

or sitting in their cars gazing

2:57

at the hills across the firth

2:59

of Clyde while enjoying our world-famous

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fish and chips. You'll never find

3:04

any better. From the river to

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the bay, the sea and the

3:08

sky, life in Inverclyde is full

3:10

of water. I remember things from

3:12

very early childhood, like the lime-green

3:15

colour of our bathroom sink and

3:17

laughing in my cot before I

3:19

could speak. When I was a

3:21

little older, these memories puzzled my

3:23

mother. How do you even know

3:26

that? she would ask. At the

3:28

time I didn't know that I

3:30

shouldn't know. My first home was

3:32

in Greenook. Then, when I was

3:35

three and a half, we moved

3:37

to a big new bungalow on

3:39

a hill in Port Glasgow, three

3:41

miles away. It was a red

3:43

brick square home that my parents

3:46

had desired, with steps leading up

3:48

to the front door and a

3:50

sloping front lawn. Everything was going

3:52

well. My mum... was a hairstylist

3:54

and my dad worked for IBM.

3:57

Ours was a street of mostly

3:59

new and young families who became

4:01

friends. Children would play each other's

4:03

homes and families would take turns

4:05

hosting barbecues and taking children for

4:08

a swim or to the cinema.

4:10

It was a lovely period of

4:12

time with the three of us

4:14

in her West Highland Terrier Torah

4:17

in that bungalow in the town

4:19

by the riverside. Until one day

4:21

it wasn't. I walked one morning

4:23

and couldn't get up. I'd had

4:25

the flu the week before, followed

4:28

by some pain and tingling in

4:30

my legs. But this was different.

4:32

My legs wouldn't move at all.

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It was like a toothache feeling,

4:36

numb and sore. I called my

4:39

mum and my parents came into

4:41

the room. My dad picked me

4:43

up and before I knew it,

4:45

we were driving to the hospital.

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The doctors were concerned I might

4:50

have meningitis. I was moved to

4:52

a specialist children's hospital. I was

4:54

in and out of it for

4:56

months on end, having several lumber

4:59

punctures, some of the worst experiences

5:01

of my life, and all kinds

5:03

of tests, until a young doctor

5:05

just qualified saw my symptoms and

5:07

instantly realized I had Guian Bar

5:10

Syndrome. This is a virus that

5:12

attacks the immune system, shutting down

5:14

part of the body and causing

5:16

paralysis. At the same time... My

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mother's mother, Agnes, who lived nearby,

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had a number of health challenges,

5:23

including cancer. When I came home,

5:25

my playroom was emptied of all

5:27

my things and turned into a

5:29

little bedroom and living area for

5:32

her. And she moved in with

5:34

us. Both of us were in

5:36

wheelchairs. Almost overnight, as well as

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being a breadwinner, my mother became

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a carer for two people relying

5:43

on her for almost everything. This

5:45

put a lot of pressure on

5:47

my parents' relationship. They begin to

5:49

fight almost constantly, loud fights. There

5:52

was no escaping the sound of

5:54

their anger in that bungalow on

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the hill. I was quite accustomed

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to the wind and rain of

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the west coast of Scotland, but

6:03

the cold from the storms in

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my home started to seep into

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my bones. However, I was beginning

6:09

to learn there was a way

6:11

to shelter from the storm by

6:14

going inside your mind. And there

6:16

were bright spots piercing the gloom

6:18

hanging over Inverclide. Our neighbour Margaret,

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a devout Catholic, would come to

6:23

see my Nana, bringing holy water

6:25

and mother Mary Trinkets that enchanted

6:27

me. Sometimes she would take me

6:29

to her Catholic church and help

6:31

me light a candle. Plus, Nana

6:34

and I would have fun. Some

6:36

days my mom would put me

6:38

on Nana's lap in her wheelchair

6:40

and we'd go out for hours

6:42

together wrapped up in her red

6:45

royal stir tartan blanket. Nana carried

6:47

a full kitchen blade with her

6:49

everywhere. Sometimes she would take a

6:51

big block of cheese and an

6:53

apple out of her handbag and

6:56

start slicing away and handing pieces

6:58

to me that I ate happily.

7:00

Other times at home, Nana tickled

7:02

my back. This was my favorite

7:05

thing. It gave me the sensation

7:07

of really being loved. In those

7:09

moments of giggling, I thought, maybe

7:11

everything really is okay. But while

7:13

my body healed, Nana's continued to

7:16

decline. After about six months, I

7:18

was able to walk again, but

7:20

Nana was in and out of

7:22

hospital. Margaret began to look

7:24

after me while my parents were

7:27

out at the hospital in the

7:29

evenings. But everyone was glad that

7:31

I was able to walk again

7:33

in time for my first year

7:35

of primary school. The week that

7:37

school started, it was Margaret had

7:39

tucked me in. I had just

7:41

got a Ninja Turtle's lunch box

7:43

to take to school and was

7:45

so obsessed with it, I wanted

7:47

to take it to bed with

7:49

me. But I had to content

7:51

myself with setting it on the

7:53

nightstand of my light blue room.

7:55

with baby blue curtains and bedding

7:57

to match. One night, as Margaret

7:59

was about to flip off the

8:01

light, I asked her to please

8:03

leave it on. I didn't know

8:05

why. In the middle of the

8:07

night, I woke suddenly. The light

8:09

had been turned off, but I

8:11

could see Nana sitting on the

8:13

bottom of my bed. She was

8:16

obviously feeling better, because she wasn't

8:18

in her wheelchair. She smelled like

8:20

a combination of all this oil

8:22

and Raul Jack's heat spray. I

8:24

felt her love and remembered her

8:26

tickling my back as soon as

8:28

I thought of that. Nana moved

8:30

towards me and started doing it.

8:32

I felt so loved and supported

8:34

and safe as I drifted off

8:36

to sleep. The next morning, when

8:38

my mum opened the curtains, I

8:40

looked around the room. What are

8:42

you looking for, Kyle? Mum's voice

8:44

was gentle. Nana, where is she?

8:46

Is she in her room? Mum

8:48

shook her head and seemed upset.

8:50

Is she having breakfast? Again, she

8:52

shook her head. I had a

8:54

horrible thought. She hasn't been taken

8:56

back into hospital, has she? Mom

8:58

left the room when I asked

9:00

that question. In the kitchen, eating

9:02

my cereal, I was still looking

9:04

for Nana. Where is she, Mom?

9:07

I saw her last night. She

9:09

came into my room when I

9:11

woke up. I'm so glad that

9:13

she isn't in her wheelchair anymore.

9:15

Where is she now? Mom couldn't

9:17

find the words to tell me

9:19

her mother had passed the night

9:21

before. She and dad had decided

9:23

to take me out for lunch

9:25

and break the nose then. When

9:27

I heard it, I just couldn't

9:29

understand it. How can she be

9:31

in heaven? I saw her last

9:33

night. She was in my room.

9:35

That must have been a dream,

9:37

my mum told me. My Nana's

9:39

passing opened me up at the

9:41

same time as I was learning

9:43

how to shut down and detach.

9:45

That same week, my parents' relationship

9:47

came to a sudden halt when

9:49

dad moved out. When

9:52

the world didn't feel safe, I

9:54

went inward. Long before I learned

9:56

how to read cards or divine

9:59

someone's future, I learned... how to

10:01

read a room. I knew how

10:03

to sense if something wasn't right.

10:06

Nothing escaped me. Not even the

10:08

faintest micro-expression passing over someone's face

10:10

for the briefest moment, I was

10:12

hypertooned, hypersensitive, hyper-aware. I would go

10:15

to bed at night and know

10:17

I was being watched. I would

10:19

feel other people in the room.

10:22

Much later, I realized that somehow

10:24

the ability to be a conduit

10:26

between this world and the next

10:29

had been switched on in me,

10:31

and these were spirits wanting to

10:33

pass messages to people on earth.

10:35

I was experiencing a spiritual awakening,

10:38

though I wouldn't have known to

10:40

call it that. It was also

10:42

around this time that my migraine

10:45

headaches began. I'd been able to

10:47

start school. but my attendance was

10:49

poor due to these grilling headaches

10:52

and all the medicine I had

10:54

to take. Even when I was

10:56

in the classroom, I had a

10:58

hard time paying attention. The teacher

11:01

said I wasn't listening. At a

11:03

bunch of hearing tests in my

11:05

first year of school, but my

11:08

hearing was fine. Kyle is a

11:10

dreamer, and I still am. Only

11:12

I knew. that my grandmother had

11:15

been sitting on my bed the

11:17

night she passed, wherever other people

11:19

said. I also knew that I

11:21

would have to question everything from

11:24

that moment onward and find my

11:26

own answers. I'd become a rebel

11:28

of sorts, a free thinker. In

11:31

time, I would become an angel

11:33

expert covered with tattoos, a rebellious

11:35

soul, staring at the opening pages

11:38

of a draft of his ninth

11:40

book. with a black eye from

11:42

his training partner's elbow at Brazilian

11:44

Jiu-Jitsu. But even way back then,

11:47

I knew I would have to

11:49

ask the questions that would guide

11:51

me towards the light. That's what

11:54

I've done for the... past three

11:56

decades and despite everything I now

11:58

know to be true is what

12:01

I still do. I'm writing this

12:03

book because it's the best chance

12:05

I have of reaching you directly

12:07

and supporting you on your spiritual

12:10

journey. The answers to the questions

12:12

I ask about angels change and

12:14

deepen as I learn more and

12:17

that's why I keep writing books.

12:19

Angels are here to help us

12:21

evolve and that means me as

12:23

well. Sometimes the learning comes through

12:26

active research and contact with angels.

12:28

Sometimes it's more about making space

12:30

for the answers to come. In

12:33

the audio ahead, we'll talk about

12:35

why you didn't be afraid of

12:37

an angel encounter and learn more

12:40

about who the angels are and

12:42

how they've been represented over the

12:44

years. I'll help you attract angels,

12:46

welcome them in and find ways

12:49

to communicate with them. And we'll

12:51

talk about recognizing and interpreting and

12:53

interpreting. the signs they give us.

12:56

Towards the end, we'll wrestle with

12:58

one of the most common and

13:00

poignant questions I receive. Can humans

13:03

become angels? We'll go from an

13:05

abbey on an island off the

13:07

coast of France that was built

13:09

following a visit from Archangel Michael

13:12

to Glasgow's largest concert venue. We'll

13:14

visit the apartment where I struck

13:16

out of my own and the

13:19

windowless office in the city centre

13:21

where I once gave readings and

13:23

I'll invite you into the room

13:26

where I'm working today with my

13:28

dogs beside me. You'll hear about

13:30

some fascinating encounters with angels from

13:32

a girl who had eight of

13:35

them to a psychotherapist who had

13:37

a breakthrough with a patient because

13:39

of a visit from an angel.

13:42

We'll start with a barbecue when

13:44

I was 15. I remember like

13:46

it was yesterday. After all, it

13:49

was a day that changed my

13:51

life forever. The Survivor. It was

13:53

summer. I remember how blew the

13:55

sky. was with the sun shining

13:58

bright and high. It was a

14:00

rarity to have a day like

14:02

that in Greenock. We'd moved back

14:05

there when I was about eight.

14:07

Now mum was saying, come on,

14:09

get your things, we don't want

14:12

to keep Marian waiting. We were

14:14

on our way to a barbecue

14:16

or her friend Marian's place, but

14:18

I wasn't moving very fast. Bring

14:21

your angel cards mum told me.

14:23

That got my attention. I grabbed

14:25

my backpack and we were off.

14:28

If you've never heard of angel

14:30

cards before, the best thing I

14:32

can relate them to is taro

14:35

cards. With an angel deck, however,

14:37

all the cards contain a positive

14:39

message, along with an image of

14:41

an angel. True intention, we can

14:43

work with the cards to receive

14:45

guidance and messages from angels. Not

14:47

long before, I've got my first

14:49

set of cards, and for a

14:51

few months, I've been on a

14:54

deep spiritual dive into the world

14:56

of angels. I grew up in

14:58

a loosely Christian household. Though my

15:00

dad didn't really follow any religion,

15:02

my mother's family were Presbyterian. Her

15:04

sister June married a Baptist from

15:06

the Church of God, and we

15:08

would go to worship evenings at

15:11

his evangelical-style church near Port Glasgow.

15:13

I also joined an inter-denominational Christian

15:15

youth group Boys Brigade, Think Christian

15:17

Scouts, but with marching and Bible

15:19

study. We began and ended our

15:21

weekly meetings with a prayer. I

15:23

liked that idea and incorporated it

15:25

into my own life, starting and

15:28

ending my day with prayer as

15:30

well. I still hadn't learned much

15:32

about angels apart from how to

15:34

make one out of a cardboard

15:36

cone, but I'd been learning about

15:38

a god who wanted me to

15:40

conduct myself in a certain way.

15:42

This god seemed to be constantly

15:44

judging me and, to be honest,

15:47

I didn't like him all that

15:49

much. Who wants to feel constantly

15:51

judged and be told to act

15:53

one specific way? As it was,

15:55

I already felt a little out

15:57

of place in the world. I

15:59

was a bit different... for most

16:01

of my peers and always had

16:04

a mixed style of interest. For

16:06

example, in school the music you

16:08

liked dictated the styles of clothing

16:10

you wore and the friends you

16:12

hung out with. I loved Lincoln

16:14

Park in blink 1.82 but I

16:16

loved Beyoncy as well. I wasn't

16:18

sure where I belonged. Plus, I

16:20

had always been interested in everything

16:23

unseen. I used to spook myself

16:25

out reading books like the goosebumps

16:27

series. I was drawn to TV

16:29

shows like Most Haunted and Crossing

16:31

Over with John Edward. By the

16:33

time my teenage years rolled up,

16:35

a show had started on TV

16:37

that would change the trajectory of

16:40

my life. On Mondays after I

16:42

read the Bible with the Boy

16:44

Brigade, I went home and watched

16:46

Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Tarot cards,

16:48

crystals, and magic. Oh my goodness.

16:50

I can't explain how much of

16:52

an impact this show made on

16:54

my life. It gave me a

16:57

place to belong. Even though it

16:59

was fantasy, a lot of the

17:01

information in it was influenced by

17:03

spiritual teachings. Soon I was researching

17:05

crystals, earth magic, lay lines and

17:07

energy healing. I remember speaking about

17:09

the show one week at Sunday

17:11

School, but being dismissed by my

17:13

leader, who happened to be my

17:16

cousin. Eventually that cousin would give

17:18

me an ultimatum to choose between

17:20

God or Buffy, and I chose

17:22

Buffy. That was the

17:24

end of the line for me

17:27

and Christianity. So back to angel

17:29

cards. In late January, when I

17:31

was about to turn 15, I

17:33

was visiting family friends with dad.

17:35

We were in a house owned

17:38

by women called Fiona. Dad had

17:40

bought a lottery ticket. I placed

17:42

the green crystal on it and

17:44

Fiona asked me why. I told

17:46

her green was the color of

17:49

abundance. So I was placing it

17:51

on the ticket to bring good

17:53

energy. Although we didn't hit the

17:55

jackpot. Dad did win 10 pounds,

17:57

which is 10 times his steak.

18:00

Fiona asked if I'd ever been

18:02

interested in... guardian angels. I shook

18:04

my head and took the opportunity

18:06

to tell her I'd pull back

18:09

a bit from Christian teachings as

18:11

I was tired of feeling judged.

18:13

She smiled and said, angels are

18:15

more than a Christian idea, she

18:17

told me, to follow her upstairs.

18:20

Her entire room was white, white

18:22

bedding, white throw, and a super

18:24

fluffy bed that looked like a

18:26

cloud in heaven. It was quite

18:28

fitting actually. We sat on a

18:31

corner of the bed and Fiona

18:33

took... Some cards from a little

18:35

velvet pouch and spread them across

18:37

the bed. Hold your hands over

18:39

the cards, she told me. And,

18:42

when you feel warmth, pick the

18:44

one you're above. You will be

18:46

getting a message from your guardian

18:48

angel. I did what she said,

18:51

and, oddly, I did feel warmth

18:53

above a certain card and picked

18:55

it. Turning it over, I saw,

18:57

synchronicity. It wasn't a familiar word

18:59

to me. But the card said

19:02

something about how everything that occurs

19:04

in life is part of a

19:06

divine unfoldment. Later I looked up

19:08

the word and started hearing it

19:10

and reading it quite often. It's

19:13

a word that has always stayed

19:15

with me. There is a moment

19:17

when you realize something is out

19:19

there. The author and founder of

19:21

my publishing house Louise L. Haye

19:24

called this a demonstration. I had

19:26

one. Overnight I became obsessed with

19:28

angels and began to read everything

19:30

and anything I could about them.

19:32

One of the big things that

19:35

I learned was that angels could

19:37

help us in our life, but

19:39

as they respected our free will,

19:41

they would never impose. We could,

19:44

however, welcome them in. I also

19:46

read that if you meditated quietly

19:48

before putting in an angelic request,

19:50

you were more likely to get

19:52

a response. So I decided to

19:55

start sitting quietly on a routine

19:57

basis and visualizing myself quoted in

19:59

a golden light that was coming

20:01

down from the heavens. Then I

20:03

would say a simple prayer. Angels,

20:06

if you are there, heal my

20:08

headaches. My parents had tried everything.

20:10

No dairy, no chocolate, no TV

20:12

at night. More water, magnesium, medication,

20:14

everything within reach. Doctors speculated that

20:17

there was nerve damage or some

20:19

sort of allergy, but we could

20:21

never get to the bottom of

20:23

it. Could angels help? About

20:26

four or five days after I

20:28

had started this ritual, I woke

20:30

up and didn't have a headache.

20:32

My eyes weren't sore. I jumped

20:34

out of bed, late for school

20:37

as usual. I was zooming up

20:39

the street when I had realized

20:41

everything seemed brighter. From that moment

20:43

on, my headaches were gone. Was

20:45

it a miracle? It certainly felt

20:47

like that to me. After the

20:49

day, I'd picked the synchranicity card.

20:52

I knew I had to have

20:54

my own angel deck. My birthday

20:56

was coming up in February and

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I'd got my own set at

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the bookshop with the vouchers I

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had received as a gift. My

21:05

own set of angel cards. How

21:07

I treasured them. I still have

21:09

that original deck in the little

21:11

velvet pouch. I began doing readings

21:13

on anyone and everyone. If I

21:15

went to a friend's house, I

21:17

would do a reading for their

21:20

mother, their aunt or their grand.

21:22

Anyone willing to pick some cards.

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Even some of the teachers at

21:26

school, I made an agreement with

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my gym teacher that if I

21:30

read her cards I could skip

21:33

the five-key runs. I genuinely didn't

21:35

know what I was doing, but

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I winged it. I would take

21:39

the guidebook out and help people

21:41

understand the card they had picked.

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At some point, I no longer

21:45

needed to look at the book.

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I just knew what the cards

21:50

meant. Although, looking back, I was

21:52

only scratching the surface of what

21:54

the cards had to offer. I

21:56

was starting to get positive feedback

21:58

on the accuracy of my readings.

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Okay. So now you know a

22:03

bit about where I was on

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the day of the barbecue and

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why I was so eager to

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grab my deck and join my

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mum on the way to Marian's

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place. Marian lived in an apartment

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block with a communal garden that

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had several picnic tables. Already she

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had a tablecloth on one of

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the tables and had spread out

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a bunch of Tupperwell bowls. The

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barbecue was fired up. Soon more

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people started to arrive, including Marian's

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work friend. Philip along with his

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partner, Jamie. Always fashionably late, Marian

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greeted the couple. Traffic from the

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city, the place was jumping. Philip

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handed Marian a bottle of white

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Zinfidel. Potato salad, chicken drumsticks, tuna,

22:44

sweet carb, past a salad, you

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name it, it was there at

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that party. As we ate, we

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started chatting about what we'd been

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up to recently. At one point,

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Philip looked across the table and

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caught my eye. What have you

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been up to, Kyle? Your mum

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says you have been interested in

23:03

psychic stuff. I guess you could

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say that, I told him. I'm

23:07

really interested in guarding angels and

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working with cards to receive messages

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from them. Philip looked somewhat surprised.

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He hadn't really heard about that

23:16

kind of thing. I told him

23:18

a little about my path toward

23:20

angels and how my headaches had

23:22

miraculously disappeared after I had called

23:24

on them for help. Mom broke

23:27

into our conversation. You should let

23:29

him read your cards, Phil. He's

23:31

getting really good. He's got so

23:33

much right for all the girls

23:35

at work. Philip said he'd give

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it a shot. Jamie seemed willing

23:39

to try as well. I did

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Philip's reading first. It turned out

23:44

to be a general overview of

23:46

life, but nothing that eventful. It

23:48

was the reading with Jamie that

23:50

activated the spiritual awakening in me.

23:52

It was clear that Jamie was

23:55

a bit apprehensive as I began

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the reading. I spread the cards

23:59

out on the table and asked

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him to place his hands on

24:03

top of... them. Then I placed

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mine on top of his. I

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closed my eyes and said, just

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think if there's anything you would

24:12

like help with. And after a

24:14

moment or two, I added, if

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there are any angels here now,

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I want to feel you. If

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there are any angels here now,

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help me give him a message.

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Remember I had been trained by

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Buffy. So I was essentially summoning

24:29

the spirits the way I had

24:31

learned from TV, subbing an angel's

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for spirits and hoping it would

24:35

work. With my eyes still closed

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I heard music, but not a

24:40

hymn or Avi Maria. It was

24:42

Survivor by Destiny's Child, which had

24:44

come out the year before. Do

24:46

you hear that? I opened my

24:48

eyes. Hear what? I told him

24:50

the song I was hearing. He

24:53

shook his head. I closed my

24:55

eyes again and said to the

24:57

angel, if there was one, show

24:59

yourself, if there is an angel

25:01

here, make your presence known. I

25:03

opened my eyes but wasn't ready

25:06

for what happened next. A light

25:08

started shooting towards me from behind

25:10

Jamie and suddenly there was a

25:12

gigantic pillar of light on my

25:14

right, his left with big hollow

25:16

black eyes. It reminded me of

25:18

the film cocoon. Have you seen

25:21

that one? When

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I looked at the angel, it

25:25

didn't look at me, it looked

25:27

in me. It was clear to

25:29

me that nothing could be hidden.

25:31

I can't help but shudder as

25:34

I say this. I felt seen

25:36

it in a way I can't

25:38

even describe to this day. It

25:40

was as if my entire life

25:42

history was on view. At the

25:44

same time, in my head, I

25:46

could hear a really rigid voice.

25:49

Tell this man, he is a

25:51

survivor. You are a survivor, I

25:53

said to Jamie. Sorry? You are

25:55

a survivor. What do you mean?

25:57

I am a survivor. In my

25:59

head, I passed the message along.

26:02

Suddenly, the light presence started flashing

26:04

images in the front of my

26:06

mind of Jamie trying to take

26:08

his own life. I started speaking

26:10

an almost uncontrolled voice, super fast.

26:12

You tried to leave your body,

26:15

you tried to leave the earth,

26:17

but something is keeping you here.

26:19

Did you try to leave your

26:21

body? Did you try to kill

26:23

yourself? Jamie stood up, adjusting his

26:25

black polo shirt. I've had enough.

26:27

I've had enough. This is too

26:30

much. Stop." The angel vanished. That

26:32

was too much, Jamie said again.

26:34

That was too close to the

26:36

bone. He whispered something to Philip

26:38

and told Marian we're going to

26:40

head up home and they were

26:43

gone. Mom asked me what had

26:45

happened, but I knew about the

26:47

code of confidentiality around readings from

26:49

the angel books I'd read. I

26:51

told him what I was getting

26:53

and I don't think he liked

26:56

it. was all I said. I

26:58

found out later that Jamie had

27:00

in fact tried to take his

27:02

own life on multiple occasions but

27:04

each time something had stopped him.

27:06

Once he'd hanged himself and woken

27:08

up separate from the noose. Later

27:11

Mum heard the story from Marian

27:13

who'd heard it from Jamie. Word

27:15

spread over the telephone lines. The

27:17

very next day people started calling

27:19

and asking Mum. Is your son

27:21

the boy who can see angels?

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I'd like to speak to him.