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6:15

Get into it. Welcome to the show.

6:17

I'm actually feeling pretty chill. So don't

6:19

worry. It's not gonna be, it's not,

6:22

I'm not gonna do what you all

6:24

think I'm gonna do and just freak

6:26

out. Flip out. Do you know the

6:28

ref? No. I'm not gonna do what

6:31

you all think I'm gonna do and

6:33

just flip out. It's a great,

6:35

really good moments. Oh, I thought

6:38

maybe I accidentally did a great

6:40

Tom Cruise impression. Nope, I knew

6:43

I didn't. No, but every once

6:45

in a while, like, accidentally sinking

6:47

a pool ball and people think,

6:49

every once in a while

6:51

I'll just mess around and.

6:53

Someone's like, that's an incredible

6:55

Michael B. Jordan. I'm like,

6:58

what? Don't try to do

7:00

Michael B. Jordan. You know, Jerry

7:02

McGuellier. I don't know why I said

7:04

it that way. Great move. Yeah, I

7:06

would like to rewatch it because I

7:08

bet I would like it more now

7:10

because I think I watched it as

7:13

a teenager really hoping it was going

7:15

to be a little more you complete

7:17

me and a little less about

7:19

football. No, that movie is

7:22

a 70-30 guys, girls, in

7:24

the traditional way. I'm not

7:26

saying that's how it actually

7:28

is, but I'm just saying

7:30

in the breakdown, they were

7:33

like, it's mostly a Tom

7:35

Cruise is trying to like

7:37

keep his business together and

7:40

his business as being

7:42

a sports agent. Right,

7:44

exactly. It's such masculine

7:46

energy. Yes. But that's what's

7:49

weird is that the romantic

7:51

moments are iconic like that's

7:53

what's iconic about those movies

7:55

Well, I would say show me the money

7:57

is equally Show me the money is the

7:59

is the same value in the crypto

8:02

market as you complete me. You

8:04

complete me might even like, you

8:06

can't say you complete me. If

8:08

you're dating a guy and he

8:10

proposes and he says you complete

8:12

me, it's like that's done. But

8:14

I could still say show me

8:16

the money. Could you? No, you

8:18

couldn't. But that's the way that

8:20

argument would go. So I had

8:22

to finish it. Could you say

8:24

you had me at hello? No.

8:27

I remember the VHS moment when

8:29

I saw you had me at

8:32

hello, because you really think maybe

8:34

she's not gonna take him back.

8:36

And in fact, sorry, we're gonna,

8:38

this is not a Jerry McGuire

8:40

rewatch podcast, but she shouldn't take

8:42

him back really. No. That's what

8:44

makes that movie kind of, I

8:47

would say, elevates it to an

8:49

artistic level. Right. And what makes

8:51

it resonate is that. Jerry McGuire

8:53

is a terrible partner for this

8:55

woman. Yeah. And he did shoplift

8:57

the poody. He fell in love

9:00

with her kid. Right. Which is

9:02

what Cuba Gooding says. He says,

9:04

a real man wouldn't shoplift the

9:06

poody. And he goes, I did

9:08

not shoplift the poody. Is the

9:10

poody? The kid. And this is

9:13

known? Valerie? I'm glad we stepped

9:15

in this. I thought it was

9:17

a pile of leaves, but there's

9:19

dog shit under it. There's poody

9:21

in there. There's poody under those

9:23

leaves. I'm just saying like most

9:25

grown up dog shit steps are

9:28

because of leaves. Yeah. So for

9:30

all the good press. 90% of

9:32

dog shit steps. Your statistic. This

9:34

is where you get them. Lila

9:36

stepped in some DS. Nintendo DS.

9:38

Yeah. Yesterday at the park and

9:41

you forget what a plague it

9:43

is. You smell it. Sorry. Two

9:45

things. Why do you smell it

9:47

everywhere too? All dog shit smells

9:49

the same. What's going on? Well,

9:51

most dog food is similar. Disagree.

9:54

Really? Salmon and pea is what?

9:56

No, I know, but sometimes we've

9:58

gotten like the salmon and sweet

10:00

potato. It's the same. Well, that's,

10:02

I'll give you, well, that's just

10:04

the side dish. The entree is

10:06

the same. But then there's chicken,

10:09

some dogs are eating lamb. It

10:11

still goes through and comes out.

10:13

The kibble is, the way it's

10:15

processed is so similar. I don't

10:17

want to talk about this anymore.

10:19

I can't have this argument again.

10:22

I love, I love, your honesty

10:24

here. Grown-ups not don't step in

10:26

dog shit unless they're running which

10:28

is great. They kind of slip

10:30

in it. When you see like

10:32

a thin, like a thin jogger

10:35

with the slit up the side

10:37

on his shorts, his legs are

10:39

very thin, very hairy and he's

10:41

bearded and he looks like he

10:43

wants you to think that he's

10:45

chill, but you know he's not.

10:47

Well if he's a runner, he's

10:50

definitely not. No one is running

10:52

unless they are... fucking ready to

10:54

kill everybody. That's right. It's what

10:56

we call James Taylor face. He

10:58

looks like he just wants to

11:00

party in a log cabin with

11:03

a guitar. But really, he wants

11:05

you to break into his house

11:07

because he has like some fucking

11:09

crossbow with night vision goggles. You

11:11

can't wait to take you down.

11:13

And then write a song about

11:16

pumpkins and. A three-leaf clover can

11:18

be lucky too. And all that

11:20

bullshit, but he's re- he's scheming.

11:22

So wait, is James? A three-leaf

11:24

clover. Because this is like going

11:26

back to James Taylor. Yeah, this

11:28

is James Taylor. But James. Oh,

11:31

I'm just saying that dude skidding

11:33

on some wet fresh? Yeah. Like

11:35

on the heel, too, and he

11:37

kind of slides like he's like

11:39

a dog shit healy. And it

11:41

wasn't under leaves? That makes it

11:44

less funny. It has to be.

11:46

In fact, the way we shoot

11:48

it is we start on the

11:50

light brown, you know it was

11:52

light brown and kind of glistening

11:54

dog shit and it fans up

11:57

and we see this guy who's

11:59

ready. a fucking snap, but he's

12:01

trying. Right. And then he's, he

12:03

hilly dogshits and slides a good

12:05

three feet. Yeah, what is that

12:07

guy doing? Is he just running

12:09

as if it didn't happen? Is

12:12

the vulnerability too much? Oh, does

12:14

he just keep going? Yes, absolutely.

12:16

I think he stops and acknowledges

12:18

it and he says, God damn

12:20

it. God damn it is the

12:22

official, most angry. Yeah. Maybe motherfucker,

12:25

but I think God damn it

12:27

is up there. I think also,

12:29

God damn it is sort of

12:31

the like, the fiery exclamation of

12:33

this type of man. I, and

12:35

using it in like a sentence

12:38

like your god damn, like curb

12:40

your god damn, like that is,

12:42

that's top tier. It's like way

12:44

worse than fucking motherfucking. Right. It

12:46

can only be chum by cock-sacking,

12:48

which is weird. cocksucker. That's like

12:50

even he would know he went

12:53

too far. Yeah, curb your cock-sucking

12:55

dog is like, no. That is

12:57

too much. That is too much.

12:59

That's the last thing you learn

13:01

and do a lingo if you're

13:03

learning English is when to say

13:06

cock-sucking because it's almost never. And

13:08

most native English speakers are still

13:10

learning that. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

13:12

Yeah. They dabble. They dabble. And

13:14

it's almost always wrong, which means

13:16

you see a lot of people

13:19

in like the throws of people

13:21

in like the throws of. deeply

13:23

intense argument and there's just a

13:25

flutter in their eye like I

13:27

shouldn't have said cocksucking it wasn't

13:29

right. I don't think I've never

13:31

said it. No. Never. Cocksucka in

13:34

Boston is a fucking cocksucka. You're

13:36

fucking cocksaka. Well that's just because

13:38

they know their accent. That makes

13:40

you think they are aware of

13:42

their accent. I'm gonna say Boston

13:44

is more aware of their accent

13:47

than any other place. Because like

13:49

my southern aunt, my aunt, Anna.

13:51

famously in our family said, wants

13:53

to us, I sound like y'all

13:55

to me. Yeah, we talked about,

13:57

I sound like y'all to me

14:00

on this board before. Okay. So

14:02

she definitely doesn't hear it. Nobody

14:04

in Boston is like, I'm aware.

14:06

I'm aware. I'm aware. I'm aware.

14:08

You fucking quirk sucker. It's like

14:10

something you'd call a somolee. Cork

14:12

sorquer. Somolee? Somolee? Somolee? Somolee. Prefix?

14:15

It is prefect. Yeah, what else

14:17

would it be? I thought it

14:19

was pre-fee for a while. Oh,

14:21

pre-fee. I'll have the pre-fee menu.

14:23

Well, yeah, I mean, you take

14:25

one look at how hors d'oeuvres

14:28

is spelled and you're not trusting

14:30

anything on that menu. Thank you.

14:32

A hundred percent. And hors d'oeuvres

14:34

is too close to horse. Yeah.

14:36

Thanks a lot. So god damn

14:38

it is the official angry dad

14:41

non chill jogging guy. Yeah, they're

14:43

always so skinny. Yeah, they're they're

14:45

pita in Ayurvedic. Yeah, they're all

14:47

fire. They're all fire and they're

14:49

running and they're trying to run

14:51

it off. They get shit done

14:53

and they have too much testosterone

14:56

and they're trying to, you know,

14:58

and God love them. Oh, yeah.

15:00

I mean, honestly, I think it

15:02

would feel amazing to be that

15:04

type of person. Just like a

15:06

pita person, like a fight, like

15:09

somebody whose first reaction is fight

15:11

instead of flight freezer fun. Yeah,

15:13

those are, those people are really

15:15

hard for me. My, my people

15:17

that want to dig in on

15:19

everything? Well, no, not, not necessarily

15:22

that, that extreme, but like, I

15:24

would say you, you, you, you

15:26

have a little more fight. Let

15:28

me just put it this way.

15:30

If I'm uncomfortable. When you react

15:32

that way, like when you're just

15:34

regulated and you're sort of reacting

15:37

with by being angry, I will

15:39

be envious of that. Like I'll

15:41

think that that sounds nice. That

15:43

sounds nice. That's a bit of

15:45

mine. that hasn't been released yet.

15:47

Yes, okay, it's funny, yeah, I

15:50

went, we were talking about, well,

15:52

did we talk about this on

15:54

the pod? One of our friends

15:56

that was staying with us wanted

15:58

to go back to LA, this

16:00

was while the fires were still

16:03

raging and not contained, and she

16:05

was like, I'm just gonna go

16:07

back, put an air purifier in

16:09

the apartment, and then I'm gonna

16:11

drive back. And I was. Like

16:13

you didn't know how to tell

16:15

her like that just doesn't sound

16:18

right. But she was like kind

16:20

of and I understand people want

16:22

to go to their homes. But

16:24

like I am useful in the

16:26

like. Kind of a light roasting

16:28

of like you're gonna go turn

16:31

on like a like my feeling

16:33

is like that's not gonna make

16:35

that much of a difference Maybe

16:37

just wait it out wait for

16:39

the fire department to get their

16:41

hands around this thing before you

16:44

start driving back to plug in

16:46

an air purifier. I don't know.

16:48

Yeah, maybe maybe it was or

16:50

I think which he ended up

16:52

saying she did and then I

16:54

did it later. Yeah, that's like

16:56

a good use of that of

16:59

that of that fire but also

17:01

like I actually am interested in

17:03

what you would say to this,

17:05

like when you feel angry, like

17:07

if you feel like you've been

17:09

wronged and you're disregulated and you

17:12

get angry. Does that feel bad

17:14

to you while you're angry? No,

17:16

that's a great question. It feels

17:18

good. That's a fantastic question. Yeah,

17:20

isn't it? Well, that's why we

17:22

kind of look down on angry

17:25

people. Like if someone's in a

17:27

sushi restaurant and they're like, Mother,

17:29

the eel is supposed to be

17:31

cocked and they're like spazzing, you

17:33

know, it's supposed to, they're really

17:35

going for it? Yeah, yeah, right,

17:37

right. It's a little bit like

17:40

farting. It's like this guy. couldn't

17:42

hold it in and and it

17:44

feels good to let it out

17:46

right 100% I didn't realize how

17:48

good farting was for that analogy

17:50

it is it is it's kind

17:53

of rude right we all know

17:55

it's the emotion that's most like

17:57

a fart that's right because everyone

17:59

else is going We're all holding

18:01

it in and quietly suffering. You're

18:03

making the rest of us suffer

18:06

You're the whoopi cushion and you

18:08

get to feel good and then

18:10

even the repair is nice I think

18:12

there is some shame though like there

18:14

is shame I had a meeting yesterday.

18:17

Here's here's what's not spoken

18:19

too much about and it's

18:21

a different energy But confidence

18:23

or like just sort of I

18:26

don't know, it's not quite cockiness, but

18:28

like you're really lit up. I had

18:30

a meeting and I went into this

18:32

meeting and it was about a script

18:35

and I was like, I had just read

18:37

it and then Pete is never better than

18:39

if you give him the thing that we're

18:41

going to be talking about right before the

18:43

thing. This is why I look at my

18:45

stand-up notes right before I do stand up.

18:48

The last thing I looked at is how

18:50

I am. Right. That's so true. I

18:52

mean, I think that's a little

18:54

bit true about everyone, but it's

18:57

mostly true for me. Yeah. Which

18:59

is why I can get in horrible

19:01

moods. Yeah. And it's why I'm

19:03

extra sensitive to things like the

19:05

news and like, I'm not saying

19:07

I don't know a general sense

19:09

of what's going on. But if

19:11

you flood me, like if I

19:14

just had the news on. Yeah. That's

19:16

all that would exist. That's all that

19:18

would exist to me. I'm not sure that's

19:20

not true for a lot of people even

19:22

in a way that they might not know.

19:25

And you get, that becomes very comfortable. Or

19:27

if I'm preoccupied with something else

19:29

that's stressing me out. That's not like

19:31

a global or a national issue. That'll

19:34

be my reality. Anyway, so I went

19:36

into this meeting having just read the

19:38

script and like, you're going to see why

19:40

I brought this up. I'm simultaneously being

19:43

like the shiniest,

19:46

funniest, most intelligent

19:48

version of myself.

19:50

And as soon as I get off

19:53

the meeting, I go, oh

19:55

no, like I was so much

19:57

similar to anger. Like it feels

19:59

good? And I was inbound, like

20:01

if you'd seen this meeting, you

20:03

wouldn't have been like, what a

20:05

dick at all. But like, there's

20:08

this thing that feels good. And

20:10

I think that's similar to anger.

20:12

While you're doing it, it feels

20:14

good. And then almost immediately afterwards,

20:16

you're just like, yeah. It's like,

20:18

it's like, they're eating. Like you

20:20

and I have a hard time

20:22

going, don't eat all that pizza,

20:24

you'll sleep terrible and you'll feel

20:26

like shit. Yeah, unbearable feelings. I

20:28

know. What is the answer because...

20:31

Is it jogging? Is it jogging?

20:33

Is it getting it out through

20:35

jogging? Because I do think there's

20:37

something so healthy about, like my

20:39

sister-in-law, for example, is one of

20:41

these people, like she will feel

20:43

what she's feeling in real time,

20:45

she'll let it all out, and

20:47

like that seems incredibly healthy because

20:49

she's not like... storing and suppressing

20:52

and like you know there's you

20:54

can trust that like how she

20:56

is feeling if she seems fine

20:58

she is fine because if she

21:00

wasn't you wouldn't hear about it

21:02

right that's right and that's and

21:04

that seems so healthy and that's

21:06

like what Lila is that's right

21:08

and we love that and we

21:10

love that and my parents both

21:13

my parents were people that you'd

21:15

kind of have to be like

21:17

how are what's going on like

21:19

wonder what the silence meant totally

21:21

and it never meant Equanimity. It

21:23

never meant I'm okay. It never

21:25

meant like just enjoying the moment.

21:27

Yeah and you're just wondering when

21:29

the volcano is going to burst

21:31

and you know and so like

21:34

I do think it's healthy to

21:36

express anger in that way. And

21:38

then, this is. She's also fun

21:40

because we've talked about Beth before,

21:42

she'll get mad for you. Yes.

21:44

You can kind of hire someone

21:46

to be mad for you. And

21:48

that's the second best. Yeah. If

21:50

you can get mad like a

21:52

Japanese rage room where you break

21:55

plates and stuff. If you. do

21:57

that with no guilt which is

21:59

why a rage room is private.

22:01

Yeah. And there's definitely a rage

22:03

room scandal coming where it's like

22:05

this guy put his dick on

22:07

the plates. I wonder you know

22:09

like there's a secret camera. If

22:11

you can get out clean, which

22:13

I do with you, I get

22:16

angry with you, not with you,

22:18

but I'll be with you and

22:20

let out anger. That's a wonderful

22:22

thing to know that you have

22:24

someone safe that can hold your

22:26

anger. Yeah, totally. That's number one.

22:28

But number two is a good

22:30

friend that will just be like,

22:32

no! I know. That's fucking bullshit,

22:34

dude. Yeah, totally. And they'll even

22:36

go too far and you know

22:39

they're going too far, but then

22:41

you just start laughing. Yeah, 100%.

22:43

It's great. It's an anger surrogate.

22:45

It really feels good. And it

22:47

feels good too. I've been trying

22:49

to do this more. I can

22:51

do this very easily for my

22:53

friends, but it's harder for me.

22:55

But like, I'll have friends who

22:57

are getting angry about. something and

23:00

then they'll sort of do the

23:02

qualifier where they're like I mean

23:04

I know that like they were

23:06

just trying to do that or

23:08

whatever and I'll be like yeah

23:10

we can assume that there is

23:12

a broader perspective of this, but

23:14

let's just like give voice to

23:16

just the angry part right now

23:18

and allow that to just be

23:21

fully heard. I think that's you

23:23

know in therapy I've been as

23:25

I've been very vocal about because

23:27

it's really changing my life but

23:29

internal family systems parts work therapy

23:31

has been so amazing and one

23:33

of the things when you're talking

23:35

to an aspect of yourself called

23:37

a part you don't you just

23:39

let them express themselves. For me,

23:42

it's often like, and I will

23:44

die. Like, it's like they're telling

23:46

me like, if I don't achieve,

23:48

and oh, can I, sorry, I'm

23:50

gonna finish this up, but there's

23:52

something I really wanted to talk

23:54

about. Yeah. That I just remembered.

23:56

If I don't achieve, I will

23:58

die, I will be eaten a

24:00

lot. and all this sort of

24:03

stuff, and you don't, in learning

24:05

how to deal with yourself, you're

24:07

actually getting a refresher on how

24:09

to deal with everybody, which is

24:11

like, you just respect them, you

24:13

thank them, you give them space,

24:15

you're gentle with them, you're very

24:17

clear. I said to one of

24:19

my parts this week, I go,

24:21

I come in peace, like, literally,

24:23

like, my hands are up, I'm

24:26

just coming in, we're gonna open

24:28

with thank you, we were talking

24:30

to my plane view. which we

24:32

hadn't talked to in a while,

24:34

but my plain view. The problem

24:36

with my achieving is your plain

24:38

view is the achiever. Daniel Plainview

24:40

from There Will Be Blood. So

24:42

the reason why I love that

24:44

movie so much is it's such

24:47

a clear picture of what a

24:49

very scared, very angry, and actually

24:51

I think very tender and damaged,

24:53

meaning hurt person who doesn't think

24:55

people are safe and all he

24:57

wants to do. is make enough

24:59

money so he can literally die

25:01

in a mansion, like a dark

25:03

mansion being alone. And it's not

25:05

what he wants, it's not what

25:08

makes him happy. And not only

25:10

does he want to achieve, but

25:12

he wants to destroy others. And

25:14

that's what brought me to the

25:16

thing that I was excited to

25:18

talk about. Because I'm like, oh,

25:20

this could be a stand a

25:22

bit, but I don't think so.

25:24

I want my next hour to

25:26

be... I don't know, just a

25:29

little bit silly or a little

25:31

bit lighter. So I'm moving away

25:33

from some of the heavier topics.

25:35

And this would be one of

25:37

those heavier topics. Where it's like,

25:39

I think it's very significant that

25:41

we have life liberty in the

25:43

pursuit of happiness. And it's the

25:45

pursuit of happiness. And I'm like,

25:47

Americans don't want to be happy.

25:50

Hear me out. A happy person

25:52

is like some guy in a

25:54

venac t-shirt in the South of

25:56

France smoking a cigarette on a

25:58

Tuesday sitting at a cafe nursing

26:00

an espresso for four hours. We

26:02

have a word for that. It's

26:04

a loser. I'm joking by the

26:06

way. I don't think that. That's

26:08

true. But we could, what we

26:10

want, now putting to one side,

26:13

we're just talking about how when

26:15

you're getting angry, you have to

26:17

put to side subtlety. I know

26:19

there are some people that are

26:21

actually pursuing happiness for sure. But

26:23

a lot of us, and I

26:25

think you can see this in

26:27

the media and you can see

26:29

this in the nation at large,

26:31

it's like we want to pursue

26:34

happiness. We want it to be

26:36

the next thing. Chase it until

26:38

we drop dead and really what

26:40

and this is where it might

26:42

get into my plain view As

26:44

I'm like what we really want

26:46

is to crush those we hate

26:48

We want to humiliate we want

26:50

to be doing better It's not

26:52

that we want to be doing

26:55

well. We want to be doing

26:57

better than somebody. Does this make

26:59

sense? Totally. I'm just I would

27:01

just add to it. I think

27:03

it is like the It's sort

27:05

of the capitalist plot. Like that's

27:07

what they have sold us is.

27:09

So I wonder how specifically Western

27:11

this is. I think it, I

27:13

don't know either, but I think

27:16

you're totally right. There's some island

27:18

off of Japan where everyone lives

27:20

to 150. Okinawa. And there's an

27:22

island off of Greece where everyone

27:24

lives to 150 and all they

27:26

do is sing and eat vegetarian

27:28

food and pray. And they actually

27:30

are happy. And no one's doing

27:32

that. We don't, we're just like,

27:34

but who are you squashing? Yeah,

27:37

but I think that's it because

27:39

it is capitalism depends completely on

27:41

people wanting to be happy thinking

27:43

that. First of all, thinking that

27:45

like happy all the time is

27:47

even possible. But you need to

27:49

have this thing and then this

27:51

thing and then this thing and

27:53

this thing. So you're right, like

27:55

it sells the pursuit. That's so

27:58

smart. Like the key word there

28:00

is the pursuit. Right. happiness because

28:02

when you get something you want

28:04

you are briefly happy exactly and

28:06

then it's like well then let's

28:08

just keep getting more and more

28:10

and more yeah so it needs

28:12

you to always be pursuing happiness

28:14

so that you're always buying and

28:16

buying and climbing and climbing yeah

28:18

and then the crushing makes sense

28:21

too because it is sort of

28:23

this like merit, like I'm using

28:25

air quotes, but like meritocracy, which

28:27

it isn't. We were just talking

28:29

about how the hardest jobs are

28:31

the ones that often pay the

28:33

last. I was stoned and I

28:35

was like, isn't it crazy, the

28:37

worst jobs? Pay the worst yeah,

28:39

and the best jobs pay the

28:42

most look I know that's so

28:44

obvious Yeah, but if you go

28:46

to work in flip flops and

28:48

you're the CEO of I'm picking

28:50

Patagonia because I think that person

28:52

lives around here It's a great

28:54

job I'm not making fun of

28:56

it. I'm just saying like it's

28:58

pretty chill. No one's gonna fire

29:00

you Yeah, and you're just kind

29:03

of like looking at vests some

29:05

okaying things taking a week off

29:07

You're making tons and tons and

29:09

tons of bread and then the

29:11

guy whose job, like I always

29:13

go to like I always go

29:15

to slaughterhouse worker or the classic

29:17

stand-up comedy example is the person

29:19

whose job it is to jerk

29:21

off pigs because they get to

29:24

Ornery oinkery They get to Oinkery

29:26

if they're if they're not so

29:28

you're jerking off pigs and like

29:30

I That's a real job. Wow

29:32

I think it might not be

29:34

to make them not oinkery. I

29:36

think it's to make more pigs,

29:38

but somebody is manually jerking off

29:40

pigs. Wow. And or at least

29:42

that used to be a job.

29:45

I don't know. Maybe they have

29:47

some sort of flesh light now

29:49

for the pigs. I'm going to

29:51

have to Google this. But I'm

29:53

going to put it into a

29:55

video search. Yeah, because we need

29:57

to see exactly how it's done.

29:59

I'm going to put it in

30:01

shopping. I'm going to click the

30:03

tab shopping to see if anything

30:05

comes up. And this isn't me

30:08

being anti-meat, I'm just saying if

30:10

you kill... chickens all day, you

30:12

should make a hundred million dollars.

30:14

They make a hundred million dollars

30:16

selling chickens. Yeah, exactly. It's a

30:18

huge, huge thing. And the guy

30:20

that draws a cartoon chicken and

30:22

says, Purdue. It's the right thing

30:24

to Purdue. Makes more money than

30:26

the guy that's covered in blood

30:29

and feathers on a kill floor.

30:31

And again, I'm not disrespecting that

30:33

job. I'm saying that's a really

30:35

hard job. Yeah, and I think

30:37

the like original idea behind it

30:39

is that you're supposed to start

30:41

at the slaughterhouse and then you

30:43

don't, there's motivation to not want

30:45

to stay there so you climb

30:47

up and up and up, but

30:50

it just doesn't. work that way.

30:52

I don't know. I don't know

30:54

if there are any CEOs that

30:56

are like, to think we all

30:58

were in the kill floor. I

31:00

know. They were in the mail

31:02

room. That's the cliche. But then

31:04

again, this is very basic, like

31:06

philosophy 101, but like the guy

31:08

that's the CEO, what you don't

31:11

know is he wants to stay

31:13

the CEO. Oh, yeah. And he

31:15

actually, you know, if he were

31:17

to give it away. That like,

31:19

trope, I feel like, existed, I

31:21

could be wrong, more in the

31:23

70s of like the old man

31:25

who owns the company, who doesn't

31:27

give it to his shitty son,

31:29

but gives it to the hardworking,

31:32

often in like an immigrant, you

31:34

know, giving someone a chance, because

31:36

he understood what that felt like.

31:38

But now we're like nine generations

31:40

into like, cozy gets, like, Nepo

31:42

babies. And it's like, so they're

31:44

just gonna keep. doing that. 100%.

31:46

But am I right that it

31:48

used to be a thing? Like

31:50

I feel like I'm thinking of

31:52

people I know that would want

31:55

to be rascals in that way.

31:57

They're like, and I leave the

31:59

company to Manuel. Each shit. Manuel

32:01

was here every fucking morning while

32:03

you were out playing Squash. And

32:05

Manuel's just like, I'm sorry. And

32:07

then Manuel rocks it. But then

32:09

does Manuel? give it to his

32:11

kids like when does it you

32:13

know yeah when does it start

32:16

like White Lotus nobody's nobody's nobody

32:18

seeds their privilege right that idea

32:20

oh yeah who remember that yes

32:22

that that scene is so I've

32:24

been wanting to rewatch yeah I

32:26

mean what are you doing this

32:28

isn't right well it just It's

32:30

also how I do a helicopter.

32:32

That was a good helicopter. That

32:34

was a good helicopter. I was

32:37

doing my own thing. Let me

32:39

hear it. Yeah, it's in the

32:41

distance though. Yeah, it's in the

32:43

distance though. It is in the

32:45

distance. Like you can do anything

32:47

that's like very far away. This

32:49

is my impression of, it's a

32:51

cyber truck, which is a very

32:53

specific town, but it's very far

32:55

away. That is... That

32:58

is a pretty good cut of

33:01

cake. You know when you're cutting

33:03

a cake and there's some pieces

33:05

that are better, especially if it's

33:08

like a square cake? Yeah. You

33:10

want a borderless middle piece? Yep.

33:12

Now try your Jerry McGuire, but

33:15

far away. Oh yeah. Not gonna

33:17

do what you all think I'm

33:19

gonna do. I just flip out.

33:22

Oh, I lost my headphones. Ah

33:24

nuts and nards. All right, well,

33:26

we're at the mid. Let's do

33:29

it. We'll go to the mid,

33:31

nuts and nards. Any way to

33:33

tease, we talked about the pursuit

33:36

of happiness. I did want to

33:38

talk about, God, what a horrible

33:40

mood I was in yesterday. Oh,

33:43

yeah. And then the day before,

33:45

I was in a bad mood.

33:47

Sometimes I feel bad that I

33:49

don't notice that you're in a

33:52

bad mood, but like you're also

33:54

You're holding in a big fart

33:56

all day, and I you got

33:59

to let it out so This

34:01

is why anger sounds nice to

34:03

me, because I'm not showing it.

34:06

But the angry guy, the bearded

34:08

James Taylor jogger face, is he

34:10

living longer? I mean, he explodes

34:13

eventually. The only way out for

34:15

that guy is like changes in

34:17

attitudes, changes in latitudes. He's got

34:20

to move to a coastal area.

34:22

Like there are some people that

34:24

just, it's like the only prescription

34:27

is you have to live in

34:29

Hawaii. Right, but I actually... Maybe

34:31

it wouldn't work. I don't think

34:34

it works because then I think

34:36

they have those types of people

34:38

have to be kind of like

34:41

workaholics. They have to be... You're

34:43

right. He should be in New

34:45

York and he should just scream

34:48

and yell and and and fucking

34:50

love it every day. Yeah. There

34:52

should be some guy who owns

34:55

a bodega and he's playing loud

34:57

music all day and he screams

34:59

at him. He loves it. Oh,

35:02

I'm sorry. We need to check

35:04

in with the Bodega guy who's

35:06

secretly in love with him. Oh,

35:09

that was a twist. Yeah, yeah,

35:11

he's in love with him. Oh,

35:13

that's cute. I watched that. Well,

35:16

he had a very quiet atasseterne

35:18

father. And so there's something very

35:20

appealing. It was like protective about

35:23

a daddy like that. Yeah, daddy,

35:25

totally. That's just like imagine someone

35:27

who stands up for themselves. Yeah.

35:30

And when he turns the radio

35:32

on, sometimes he has it what

35:34

he thinks is too loud and

35:37

the guy doesn't come, he turns

35:39

it up. It's like the bat

35:41

signal for his love. He wants

35:44

him. He wants him. He wants

35:46

him to come yell at him.

35:48

Then one day he's in the

35:51

hospital and he doesn't come and

35:53

it's close on the radio. Yeah.

35:55

Yeah, that's good. And what is

35:58

that one that's like, I'm not

36:00

going to be able to think

36:02

of it? It's like in the

36:05

Fast and the Furious. love it.

36:07

I don't know. I mean, my

36:09

day. But there's like a whole

36:12

group that can't get enough of

36:14

like, oh, I'm gonna look at

36:16

it. I want to know. I

36:19

love that beat, by the way.

36:21

So good. Act a fool. No.

36:23

See you again? No. Is it

36:25

see you again? Yeah. Yeah,

36:28

yeah, yeah. Okay, what? I

36:30

know this song, but... Yeah,

36:33

they love that. Where's the

36:35

beat? Oh, okay. I don't

36:37

know if this has them.

36:40

What's Takis? If you got

36:42

that, Robert. It's a very

36:44

New York bodega. Like Takis

36:46

is like an extreme, it's

36:49

like a dorido for someone

36:51

who needs to wake up

36:53

a little bit. It's a

36:55

dorido for someone who's like

36:58

feeling fatigued. Oh my god,

37:00

remember the summer that we

37:02

were in New York. I

37:05

think it was the third

37:07

season of crashing and I

37:09

was super pregnant. And we

37:11

both had songs that summer

37:14

that we hated. Yes. That

37:16

every bodega, every grocery store

37:18

was playing it. Yeah. And

37:21

what was mine? Yours was,

37:23

I can remember yours, but

37:25

I can't remember mine. Yours

37:27

was Havana, oh nana. Oh

37:30

my God. And I would

37:32

hear that rhythm everywhere and

37:34

I would think of a

37:37

vanamamana. Yeah, and I had

37:39

one that was basically the

37:41

same, but just a slightly

37:43

different that I made it.

37:46

I'd like to think I

37:48

don't, but I do need

37:50

earbuds. Like sometimes I do

37:52

these YouTubes where it's like.

37:55

celebrities tell you the five

37:57

things that they need. Oh

37:59

yeah, I love those things.

38:02

Mine are like, I need

38:04

my hat and that's to

38:06

block out my periphery on

38:08

an airplane. Because for some

38:11

reason, no matter what my

38:13

neighbor is doing, infuriates me.

38:15

Yeah, right. They could be fucking

38:17

praying for me. They could be sewing

38:20

me a sweater, knitting me as me.

38:22

And I have to not look at

38:24

them. I just don't like how close

38:27

they are, blah blah blah. It's earbuds.

38:29

And when I went to the grocery

38:31

store yesterday, they're just playing pop music

38:34

and I'm like, this is, this will

38:36

be the rest of my life if I

38:38

listen to this song. Yeah. So I know

38:40

I was hesitant to even sing it

38:42

for the reference of this. No, I

38:44

don't know that song well enough for it

38:47

to relatch. Yeah. Like a baby. But

38:49

there's something specifically about being

38:51

in New York where your

38:53

brain already fills. feels completely

38:56

full. Yes. And so you're just like,

38:58

I can't actually have a song in

39:00

my head right now because I'm so

39:03

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39:05

for days and days and days. I'm

39:07

dead. That's what we're gonna talk

39:09

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39:12

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39:14

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39:16

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later. Okay, so what I

41:44

wanted to say was Lila

41:46

got a Furbie. A Furbet.

41:48

A Furbet, which is a

41:51

small Furbie. And I didn't

41:53

know, but Furbies were designed

41:55

by people who have no trauma.

41:57

No sound. No sound thing. They

41:59

grew up... I'm guessing in Sweden.

42:01

They were barefoot in like white

42:03

linen shirts. They were closed lines.

42:06

There was a lot of like

42:08

shuttlecocking but no net. They're just

42:10

kind of playing catch with the

42:13

shuttlecock and very long thin rackets.

42:15

And it's amazing and they're so

42:17

happy this fresh lemonade everywhere and

42:20

then one of those fucking golden

42:22

toad Children made the Furby because

42:24

they were like obviously no one

42:27

would be bothered by this we

42:29

like a little thrill. What if

42:31

that was a thrilling toy? Something

42:33

that was like r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-l that everyone's

42:36

had enough and needs a break.

42:38

I typed in how to turn.

42:40

No, I wish I was gonna

42:43

lie. But let's just say if

42:45

you Google Ferbets, one of the

42:47

top results is how to turn

42:50

off a Ferbets because it's fucking

42:52

nuts. And it's a secret button.

42:54

Is it? You hide the button.

42:57

The Furby is almost as if

42:59

alive, like another family member. Like

43:01

remember when you had another baby

43:04

and I raised it all myself.

43:06

Because I'm just so happy and

43:08

well adjusted. And I'm always cutting

43:10

butter. Cutting it in serving the

43:13

butter. It's always smooth, never too

43:15

hot butter and sweet. The butter

43:17

is kind of sweet, almost like

43:20

a candy. It's a butter candy,

43:22

but we only have let ourselves

43:24

have a one half inch every

43:27

day. One half inch, totally enough

43:29

on my bad day. I have

43:31

half a stick and I may.

43:34

Rest of day, each salary is

43:36

too full. I'm too full. I'm

43:38

too satiated. All of my needs

43:41

are met. Turn the fair bet

43:43

on. Now what jazzing they have

43:45

some verb we don't have now

43:48

what jazzing Anyway, it sucks and

43:50

And when I, so I did

43:52

therapy, and as much as I

43:54

love therapy, sometimes it does bring

43:57

things up. I'm talking about my

43:59

plain view. And instead of talking

44:01

about it, which I'm very comfortable

44:04

with, she was just pushing me

44:06

to, you're gonna love this, a

44:08

somatic experience. She was like, I

44:11

don't know what it is, I

44:13

don't know who it is, but

44:15

I'm feeling it in my throat,

44:18

I feel like I'm being choked.

44:20

And she goes, maybe let it,

44:22

if you're comfortable. I know. And

44:25

dude, it's like, this type of

44:27

therapy is very close friends with

44:29

psychedelics. There's something about like the

44:32

power of your mind. And you're

44:34

like, what if I just let

44:36

this increase? And then it does

44:38

and your throat, this might freak

44:41

people out. But I knew I

44:43

was safe, I was breathing, but

44:45

you just feel this. pressure in

44:48

your neck, chest area. And I

44:50

was like, wow, it wanted to

44:52

talk to me. So I'm doing

44:55

all this unearthing of feelings. So

44:57

good. I know. It's, she's incredible.

44:59

My therapist is incredible and internal

45:02

family system is incredible. But then

45:04

I go down and you said

45:06

it. When you're overwhelmed. And there's

45:09

something your brain and I really

45:11

am saying like I felt okay

45:13

thinking about these things but my

45:15

brain is like I don't yeah

45:18

I'm trying to answer emails I'm

45:20

trying to have a life yeah

45:22

so it would take the Furby

45:25

song and loop it and fuck

45:27

me if it's Bruno or some

45:29

shit yeah like That's like a

45:32

coping. It's one of the ways

45:34

that I get songs out of

45:36

my head as I go, like,

45:39

there's something we don't want to

45:41

think about. That's okay. Let's make

45:43

a deal. Let's not do any

45:46

deep thoughts, but you can turn

45:48

the bodega music off, please. Yeah.

45:50

Not saying it always works, but

45:53

right. Well, that's the thing. Also,

45:55

like, when our bodies are dysregulated,

45:57

it's, I've used this before, but

45:59

it's like a wind. to our

46:02

brains windmill and it'll just make

46:04

it. I'm saying a pinwheel. Oh,

46:06

a pinwheel. Like my brain's more

46:09

of a pinwheel. Yeah. And it's,

46:11

so it's just making it spin

46:13

and spin and spin and spin.

46:16

And you know, that can look

46:18

all kinds of different ways. Like

46:20

I was talking about how around

46:23

this time, winters just, you know,

46:25

it is the hardest season for

46:27

a lot of us. Sister winter

46:30

winter. And generally, if I were

46:32

a journaler, I think I would

46:34

notice that like around this time,

46:37

every year, I am experiencing a

46:39

specific sort of like obsessive brain.

46:41

And right now, it's on Bob

46:43

Dylan, but like, you know, years

46:46

before it's been on whatever, you

46:48

know, like. The dream is when

46:50

I can get it actually on

46:53

a creative project, but it does

46:55

feel like a fire hose energy

46:57

that like sometimes I can't wrangle

47:00

and actually point it at something.

47:02

Yes, it's an obsessive time. Yeah,

47:04

so it's so I'll even like

47:07

get to the point where I'm

47:09

reading so much about Bob Dylan

47:11

that I'm starting to feel like

47:14

sick to my stomach and I'm

47:16

like I need to. Stop like

47:18

I don't this doesn't feel good

47:20

anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And I think

47:23

that there is a an anxiety

47:25

that comes with winter and my

47:27

brain is responding by Obsessing about

47:30

something because the pin wheel is

47:32

rolling. I just think so much

47:34

of human history this is also

47:37

something that my therapy has been

47:39

pointing me to is like so

47:41

your plain view Is it just

47:44

your protector or has he been

47:46

protecting your people like for a

47:48

long time, like generationally? Right. And

47:51

I have a hard time dipping

47:53

into that. I'm so hesitant to

47:55

be like to try and speak

47:58

to that. Like I'll feel insincere.

48:00

But I do get the sense

48:02

that winter traditionally for humans. is

48:04

just the worst news. Yeah. And

48:07

it comes every year. And you're

48:09

just trying to get through it.

48:11

That's so smart. I didn't even

48:14

think about the like epigenetic. Yeah.

48:16

Yeah. That for thousands of years

48:18

when it gets cold and when

48:21

it starts to get cold and

48:23

when the leaves are dying and

48:25

it's like, do we have a

48:28

silo that's elevated off the ground

48:30

that critters won't eat our food?

48:32

How many are gonna die? Again,

48:35

I'm not trying to be funny.

48:37

It's like. It's such a rough,

48:39

hold your nose, let's go, get

48:42

through it. And then spring comes

48:44

and we're so happy. And you're

48:46

horny, of course, in the spring,

48:48

because you're like, yeah, let's do

48:51

it now, although the baby will

48:53

be born in winter. That's a

48:55

weird joke. Horny in March, conceiving

48:58

in, or birthing in November, December.

49:00

Yeah, horny in March. Burthing in

49:02

December. That's just like a weird

49:05

joke. I mean joke. Trapped. Yeah.

49:07

It's a weird little trap. Yeah.

49:09

Well, even just that like babies

49:12

are, I mean, we were at

49:14

coffee with our friends, baby and

49:16

our friends. Yeah. And the friend

49:19

was also there. And I was

49:21

like, boy, they're so cute at

49:23

like. 14 months this baby is

49:25

like 14 months and you're like

49:28

that is like the cutest age

49:30

and doesn't that make sense that

49:32

like you're you're rested enough and

49:35

they're peaking at cute where you'll

49:37

be like I'll have another one

49:39

right like it's all just tricking

49:42

us all tricks and I have

49:44

a bit right now which is

49:46

what you're referencing which is like

49:49

sex is a trick yeah making

49:51

more babies is hidden in our

49:53

favorite thing. That's insane. And also

49:56

like, really, talk about lava lamp

49:58

talk, but who is tricking who?

50:00

The genes, the genetic intelligence, is

50:03

separate. from your private intelligence. You

50:05

belong to a system. And then

50:07

there's like universal intelligence that's going

50:10

on as well. Yeah, which might

50:12

be it too, like the force of

50:14

life, the thing that makes wind

50:16

blow so that. seeds of

50:18

plants will spread and create

50:21

more and more and

50:23

more. Like that is the

50:25

universal intelligence that's sort of

50:28

behind everything. And then

50:30

I love thinking about that

50:32

because it just feels like,

50:34

thank God. I'm a tiny seed

50:37

that gets blown by the wind

50:39

and planted in the earth and

50:41

I really actually have very little

50:44

to do with it. I know

50:46

that that might be, there probably

50:49

are you know mind states that

50:51

I can get into where that's

50:53

bad news, but like for the

50:55

most part that feels so good.

50:58

Like what a relief. You just

51:00

gotta sort of let the wind

51:02

blow ya. No, it's true.

51:04

So, Rupert, Spira, my favorite

51:06

boyfriend. Boyfriend. My favorite

51:09

boyfriend teacher, he is a

51:11

dream boat. He talks about

51:13

your thoughts and sometimes people

51:15

ask, like, how do I

51:17

change my thoughts? I certainly feel

51:20

that way. The more I've been

51:22

with you and someone who doesn't

51:24

have the same sort of... I

51:27

don't know how to say it, but

51:29

like, there's such a Boston, I mean,

51:31

a bad thing, there's such a Boston

51:33

80s and 90s, there's like a toxicity

51:36

to that. I was talking to Matt about

51:38

it, Matt McCarthy, and we were talking

51:40

about, I hope he, he wouldn't mind

51:42

me saying that when he met his

51:44

wife, they're watching TV, and she was

51:47

like, are you gonna say something

51:49

about everything you see? And that is

51:51

so, like my, a touchdown for my

51:53

father is like, you'd think New York

51:56

would have a prettier newscaster. Like everything

51:58

is just getting like spray. by judgment.

52:00

Yeah. It's one of the reasons

52:02

why I think Boston makes so

52:04

many great comedians. Right. And that's

52:06

something I think is awesome, but

52:09

it is like there's a lot

52:11

of like judging. At what quest?

52:13

At what quest? At what cost?

52:15

Quast. Quast. Quast. Quast. But um,

52:17

so I spend or I used

52:19

to spend more of my time

52:21

going like, how can I know

52:23

so much religious spiritual theory? And

52:26

also spend so much time actively

52:28

trying to soften my heart. And

52:30

also speaking, and I have so

52:32

many mentors, Father Greg Boyle, Richard

52:34

Roar, Rupert, of course, that are

52:36

like, like my heroes are loving,

52:38

gentle, generous people. All I do

52:40

is read their stuff, and all

52:43

I do is watch them speak.

52:45

And I think about it, I

52:47

want it, and I want it,

52:49

and then like I see somebody.

52:51

who is somehow in a 90s

52:53

kind of way, we would have

52:55

made fun of this. Right. And

52:57

it's hard to think of an

53:00

example, but I'm just saying like,

53:02

you know, in the 90s too,

53:04

if you saw somebody, without any

53:06

body shaming, but if somebody was

53:08

like very heavy, like a heavy

53:10

person in the 80s, that was

53:12

just like, if you were watching

53:14

a movie, so yeah. And there

53:16

was a character that was very

53:19

big. you would be like, here

53:21

comes the joke about how they

53:23

can't stop eating jujubies. Like, you'd

53:25

start salivating being like, here it

53:27

comes. I mean, in the 70s,

53:29

they wore shirts that said, no

53:31

fat chicks. I mean, like, that's

53:33

just how it, I'm not saying.

53:36

They also had shirts that said

53:38

up with mini skirts. It was

53:40

a fucked up thing. Time. Yeah,

53:42

the 70s gets a lot of

53:44

credit for being super groovy, but

53:46

it was also no fat chicks.

53:48

There were always like bros. I'm

53:50

not saying that's bros, but there

53:53

were always another energy. It wasn't

53:55

just peace and love. So anyway,

53:57

I catch myself having all of

53:59

these involuntary. thoughts and Rupert has

54:01

this great quote where he goes

54:03

if you want to change your

54:05

thoughts you can you just have

54:07

to change the entire universe. Wow.

54:10

Meaning I am I'm not saying

54:12

I can't work on it you

54:14

know and work with it is

54:16

maybe a better way to put

54:18

it but like when it comes

54:20

to being a I hear your

54:22

voice in my head you Valerie

54:24

all the time going like what

54:27

a 90s Boston kid thing to

54:29

say and I go Yeah. In

54:31

this beautiful, like, aha, like, I'm

54:33

part of a thing. Again, this

54:35

doesn't mean green lights to all

54:37

impulses and feelings, but when it

54:39

comes to something like feeling shame

54:41

that you have these knee jerk

54:43

responses that were ingrained and driven

54:46

into your brain, have them and

54:48

go, what a 90s Boston kind

54:50

of thought, 100% and just move

54:52

on. This is what I've always

54:54

said about this part of you.

54:56

is that it sounds so much

54:58

like intrusive thoughts to me. Right.

55:00

Especially because it will heighten when

55:03

you're dysregulated. Yes. And I have

55:05

dealt with intrusive thoughts. It was

55:07

sort of part of my like,

55:09

you know, just like a little

55:11

touch of postpartum OCD and it

55:13

came out in intrusive thoughts. And

55:15

just a sprinkle of it. Just

55:17

a sprinkle of it. And it

55:20

was just a yes hand. I

55:22

wasn't saying you only had a

55:24

little. No, no, I know. Yeah,

55:26

no, I do want to like,

55:28

I think people have it way

55:30

worse. But I would get to

55:32

that in times when I was

55:34

like alone with Lila and really

55:37

disregulated. And the only thing that

55:39

ends up working is just going

55:41

like the that's just of that.

55:43

Like and I've been teaching Lila

55:45

that too because Lila is starting

55:47

to get to the age where

55:49

she'll You know get have a

55:51

scary thought and then she'll be

55:54

like I can't stop thinking about

55:56

this and I'm like just let

55:58

yourself think it and every time

56:00

you do you can just be

56:02

like Oh, that's just a thought.

56:04

And she like loves it. Yeah.

56:06

And that's such a good remember,

56:08

like, remember, such a good reminder

56:10

to me, too, because thoughts are

56:13

only harmful when you believe them,

56:15

when you identify with them, when

56:17

you think that they're who you

56:19

are. We start building, jumping to,

56:21

building conclusions is better. You go,

56:23

well, I thought that about these

56:25

people that I saw at the

56:27

airport. I'm a piece of shit.

56:30

It becomes a belief. Yeah, exactly.

56:32

And then the beliefs become your

56:34

seeming identity. It really is so

56:36

helpful also to think of it

56:38

as like a radio station. You

56:40

know, you're like, oh my gosh,

56:42

I've never heard that. I remember

56:44

when we used to think we

56:47

would listen to the radio even

56:49

if we didn't like the song

56:51

or the... you know the DJ

56:53

was kind of like not our

56:55

favorite and being annoying like sometimes

56:57

you're like yeah but this is

56:59

the radio station and like it'll

57:01

just be on in the background

57:04

and I'm just not gonna listen

57:06

or they're doing the ads or

57:08

something and they're like if you

57:10

have erectile dysfunction you're like well

57:12

this isn't for me yeah you

57:14

didn't get mad about it and

57:16

go like why do I keep

57:18

having these erectile dysfunction ads right

57:21

you just go like oh it's

57:23

running an ad that's the the

57:25

whole interconnected So many of our

57:27

issues come from a feeling of

57:29

separation, feeling like you're this little

57:31

capsule going through this world, but

57:33

when you realize that you are

57:35

saturated and indistinguishable from the world,

57:37

like Michael Gungra has that great

57:40

point in his book, this, which

57:42

is a great book, great audio

57:44

book too. He talks about like...

57:46

We're basically trees, we're very similar

57:48

to trees, we're just the wireless

57:50

version. It's like we don't have

57:52

to plug into the earth, but

57:54

we eat food that grew in

57:57

the earth. And our leaves don't

57:59

turn sunlight into glucose. We eat

58:01

glucose and we breathe air directly

58:03

into lung. It's the same kind

58:05

of apparatus. In fact, everything is

58:07

like. the pitch black deepest ocean,

58:09

that thing is also seeking out

58:11

the same types of, whatever, I'm

58:14

gonna sound fancy and be like

58:16

carbon based, you know what I

58:18

mean? I just mean like, it's

58:20

in this world and believe it

58:22

or not, you and that deep

58:24

sea fish are merged in this

58:26

very real way. And like. All

58:28

of that, like, when there's a

58:31

tragedy, we always say, you know,

58:33

they were a loner, like they

58:35

were detached. That's not always, but

58:37

often, you know, they kept to

58:39

themselves, I don't know. It's like,

58:41

yeah, there's something true about that.

58:43

It's like we need to remember

58:45

how much, as Father Boyle says,

58:48

we belong to each other. But

58:50

then also, like, you belong. to

58:52

the world and that includes when

58:54

you lose your temper after you

58:56

wheelie skid on shit. Mm-hmm. You

58:58

know, like, bring it back. And

59:00

I was saying this on the

59:02

pocket, I know that was a

59:04

deep callback. It's like when Pete

59:07

is angry, boy, he just thinks

59:09

he doesn't belong. And I'm like,

59:11

actually, that's exactly right. Right. Well,

59:13

and that's what a friend will

59:15

remind you. This is what my

59:17

therapist said. I don't even remember

59:19

exactly how we were talking about

59:21

it, but she's like, basically, she's

59:24

like, if you open the door

59:26

to every, like, layer of somebody's

59:28

fears, the last door is always

59:30

a fear of abandonment. And I

59:32

think that's, that seems right. I

59:34

would just change the language to

59:36

like, the last door is fear

59:38

of separation. Because we, and why

59:41

do we fear that so much?

59:43

Because it's the most. unnatural thing

59:45

and therefore it actually is the

59:47

least true thing because it like

59:49

you know what I mean so

59:51

and that this is also just

59:53

on that topic it's like something

59:55

else that I always say to

59:58

myself is like fear clap the

1:00:00

truth. So like if there you

1:00:02

can always, you know, if there

1:00:04

is fear, you can be like, I

1:00:06

don't have to believe my thoughts,

1:00:09

especially right now, because there's

1:00:11

fear. So I know I'm

1:00:13

not seeing it clearly. So

1:00:15

if I'm afraid of separation,

1:00:17

the most, then that is the

1:00:20

least true thing. Yeah. Because

1:00:22

I, some part of me

1:00:24

is recognizing that doesn't line

1:00:26

up with the nature of

1:00:28

reality. The nature of reality

1:00:30

is this connectedness and then

1:00:32

you know some you would

1:00:35

say oneness. It's like the

1:00:37

course it's connectedness to the

1:00:39

point where it's just one

1:00:41

and I agree with that too

1:00:43

I'm just saying you love to

1:00:45

say that. Well you know when they

1:00:47

say that love is the answer

1:00:49

like oneness. being a better definition

1:00:52

of love, a shared reality, as opposed

1:00:54

to like a nice feeling. Of course,

1:00:56

I'm not the first to point out

1:00:59

that often when we say, I love

1:01:01

you, we mean, I really, really like

1:01:03

you. But like a deep love, and

1:01:06

of course, I really, really like you.

1:01:08

And of course, I really, really like

1:01:10

you. In fact, I say that to

1:01:13

you all the time. I go, I

1:01:15

really like you. But the love, again,

1:01:17

Rupert would say, because, We went to

1:01:20

a farm. You know, Lila wanted

1:01:22

to ride a horse around and we

1:01:24

did that and then I was walking

1:01:26

around the farm and I saw

1:01:28

a pig, two pigs actually snuggling and

1:01:31

they were sleeping. And the pig was

1:01:33

deep asleep and I swear it was

1:01:35

smiling. It looked like the happiest, like

1:01:37

a pig and shit. It was so

1:01:39

happy. And I was like really tripped

1:01:41

out on it. I was like that

1:01:43

pig in its own experience of

1:01:46

itself in deep sleep. And in

1:01:48

deep sleep, you have no sense of,

1:01:50

I'm a pig. In deep sleep, I

1:01:52

have no sense of, I'm a human,

1:01:54

and Pete. You just are, as I

1:01:56

say, all the time, consciousness without an

1:01:58

object. You're a flashlight. with nothing to

1:02:00

shine the flashlight on. It's just

1:02:02

light. So that pig in its

1:02:05

essence is exactly the same as

1:02:07

me and my essence when I'm

1:02:09

asleep. And that's not just like

1:02:11

a theory. If you could take

1:02:13

a sample of my experience of

1:02:15

myself when I'm deep asleep, a

1:02:17

sample of this pig of its

1:02:19

experience of itself when it's deep

1:02:21

asleep, put them next to each

1:02:23

other. It would be spacious, clean,

1:02:25

naked, empty, light. It would just

1:02:27

be that with which all pigness

1:02:29

or peatness is known. I was

1:02:31

like, that's love. That's me going

1:02:33

like, I get it, we're the

1:02:35

same. And then as that pig

1:02:37

wakes up and sort of reanimates

1:02:39

and realizes its pigness and remembers,

1:02:41

oh yeah, this is where my

1:02:43

food is and this is where

1:02:45

I don't know if I'm a

1:02:47

fucking pig. And I wake up

1:02:49

and I go, I gotta email

1:02:51

that guy, it returns. But in

1:02:53

the naked deep sleep. The same.

1:02:55

Yeah. And then, but I was

1:02:57

like, that's great for pigs. I'm

1:02:59

trying to do that now with

1:03:01

difficult people in my life. And

1:03:03

it doesn't, it doesn't mean you're

1:03:05

going to like everybody, but like,

1:03:07

it's nice to hold on to,

1:03:09

like, in our most naked form,

1:03:11

we're exactly, in our essence, we're

1:03:13

exactly the same. And that's like,

1:03:15

so oneness is a fun concept,

1:03:17

but again, it's in the interest

1:03:19

of remembering that you love and

1:03:21

are with and share and share.

1:03:23

reality with everything. Right, I love

1:03:25

that point. It is, you know,

1:03:27

oneness is the absolute truth and

1:03:29

then our personalities is the relative

1:03:32

truth, the like waking and the

1:03:34

differentiating. Go ahead, hate that, yell

1:03:36

at that. Who cares? Like that's

1:03:38

so stupid. It's just entertainment, just

1:03:40

theater. And of course, be kind

1:03:42

and all that, but I'm just

1:03:44

saying like, you don't have to

1:03:46

like, and if I could really

1:03:48

own that. Right. And Pete's Grumpy

1:03:50

sometimes. Okay, great. Yeah. It's like,

1:03:52

Rupert has a great analogy too,

1:03:54

where he's like, it's like water

1:03:56

and you add tea to water,

1:03:58

you add coffee. feet to water,

1:04:00

Kool-Aid, but it's still in its

1:04:02

essence, it's all water. And we're

1:04:04

going around being like, I don't

1:04:06

like Kool-Aid and maybe you feel

1:04:08

bad about that. It's like, who

1:04:10

cares? Who cares? Right. Right. I

1:04:12

mean, you're both water and if

1:04:14

you can hold on to that,

1:04:16

you'll probably be kind to Kool-Aid,

1:04:18

if you have a little piece

1:04:20

of the absolute truth with you.

1:04:22

then it will sort of change

1:04:24

your perspective of the relative truth.

1:04:26

Not to the point where you're

1:04:28

like, I'm in love with everyone,

1:04:30

you know. No, but that was

1:04:32

in my last cadmine trip where

1:04:34

it was like, even your least

1:04:36

favorite person is doing a flawless

1:04:38

version of that person. Yeah. Like

1:04:40

a academy award worthy performance. And

1:04:42

they never break character. Yeah. And

1:04:44

at the end of the day,

1:04:46

they were. The same thing as

1:04:48

us just playing this role Playing

1:04:50

it perfectly so you can I

1:04:52

was in a shit mood and

1:04:54

I went to the grocery store

1:04:57

and everybody was just being very

1:04:59

small town and just fucking taking

1:05:01

their time and Then you're like

1:05:03

you can kind of Allow that

1:05:05

like be the song on the

1:05:07

radio and again not just as

1:05:09

a philosophical understanding But as a

1:05:11

break for yourself and go like

1:05:13

and here we are in this

1:05:15

weird Oneness, and it's okay. I

1:05:17

wanted to close with a funny,

1:05:19

and we went and saw Stomp,

1:05:21

and I thought we had some

1:05:23

funny thoughts about Stomp. Totally, and

1:05:25

you said- I'm going to do

1:05:27

it like Valley Heat. We'll talk

1:05:29

about that after this promo. This

1:05:31

episode is brought to you by

1:05:33

Stomp. I don't know if you've

1:05:35

ever been to one of those

1:05:37

shows where, like, I don't know,

1:05:39

eight or maybe 12. men and

1:05:41

women, more men than, you know,

1:05:43

how men are always tapping on

1:05:45

their leg, you know, more theta

1:05:47

energy. I think it's like the

1:05:49

theta brainwave. Anyway, so it's like

1:05:51

a group of men and some

1:05:53

women and they have brooms and

1:05:55

they're banging them, they're banging them

1:05:57

and then like a beat sort

1:05:59

of emerges. Like it kind of...

1:06:01

presents itself and then there's a

1:06:03

guy with a lighter and he's

1:06:05

like and you're like tapping your

1:06:07

toe like stop like hey what

1:06:09

if we banged on this I

1:06:11

can't do it no he's yeah

1:06:13

I know, he's so special. It's

1:06:15

a thing I can't do. I

1:06:17

know, which is why it's so

1:06:19

good. But I'll never stop trying.

1:06:21

Yeah. Because it's fun to do

1:06:24

it. It's fun to just be

1:06:26

like, you know, one of them's

1:06:28

wearing overalls, but one of the

1:06:30

straps is undone. Kind of like

1:06:32

a 90s, like where they just

1:06:34

spray painting something? And now they're

1:06:36

sweeping in a rhythm. Yeah, but

1:06:38

that is stump. We went inside.

1:06:40

Hey, what if we banged on

1:06:42

this? We loved it, by the

1:06:44

way. If anybody that was in

1:06:46

that production of stump in Utah,

1:06:48

what a great job you did.

1:06:50

Thank you. Yes. I did love

1:06:52

it. I do use it as

1:06:54

the example of like, you know,

1:06:56

we were in a hotel room

1:06:58

with a six-year-old for five days

1:07:00

in Salt Lake City, not skiing.

1:07:02

It wasn't snowing, but it was

1:07:04

cold. So by the last day,

1:07:06

we went to Binnie Hana and

1:07:08

saw Stomp. Yeah. Because like, what

1:07:10

else are you going to do?

1:07:12

And in that spirit, we're not

1:07:14

the perfect audience for Stomp, because

1:07:16

having a six-year-old is living with

1:07:18

Stomp, a year of the drum.

1:07:20

So you're constantly being touched and

1:07:22

simulated. But it was really, really,

1:07:24

really cool. One thing that I

1:07:26

noticed that I don't like about

1:07:28

myself. Shane Gillis has a funny

1:07:30

joke about how you get older,

1:07:32

you start getting more conservative, you

1:07:34

just feel yourself closing like a

1:07:36

fist. So I don't like this,

1:07:38

but I was like... worried about

1:07:40

these guys? I was like, what

1:07:42

are they going to be doing

1:07:44

in 10 years? Oh, yeah, right.

1:07:46

Where did when did I become

1:07:49

the dad from that 70s show?

1:07:51

I'm in the arts and I'm

1:07:53

sitting there going like, this is

1:07:55

not practical. What are you going

1:07:57

to do? What are you going

1:07:59

to do? Go to your next

1:08:01

job and say, I can get

1:08:03

a rhythm going out of a

1:08:05

plastic bag. But of course you

1:08:07

can. Yeah, of course you can.

1:08:09

You were in stop. Right. man

1:08:11

thoughts yeah I was like you

1:08:13

should be a lawyer so dumb

1:08:15

I went I went I don't

1:08:17

believe that my little stump snippet

1:08:19

is that uh stomp it for

1:08:21

the first 45 minutes I loved

1:08:23

it I was groven I was

1:08:25

so impressed I was like really

1:08:27

moved yeah And then just like

1:08:29

a light switch turning off, I

1:08:31

went from absolutely loving it to

1:08:33

being like... Get me out here.

1:08:35

Yeah, like, oh, let me guess,

1:08:37

you gonna do a drumbeat on

1:08:39

that? The trash gambling? You do

1:08:41

realize sometimes shows want to be

1:08:43

a certain length. to prevent people

1:08:45

from complaining that it was too

1:08:47

short, not because the show needed

1:08:49

to be that long. It could

1:08:51

have been 45 minutes. And that's

1:08:53

true of a lot of things.

1:08:55

Even great things. I saw Mitch

1:08:57

Hedberg, one of the greats, and

1:08:59

it turns out an hour was

1:09:01

a little too long for one-liners,

1:09:03

but he's got to do an

1:09:05

hour because that's how it is.

1:09:07

One of the greats. I was

1:09:09

like, they should just let him

1:09:11

do 40. It would have been

1:09:13

in my, to my taste to

1:09:16

my taste, the constant channel change.

1:09:18

of new premise, new premise, new

1:09:20

premise, new premise. It just got

1:09:22

a little tiring, probably for him

1:09:24

too, I don't know. So it

1:09:26

doesn't mean it's bad. Mitch Hedberg

1:09:28

is one of the greatest comedians

1:09:30

that ever lived. And maybe it

1:09:32

could have been that. And this

1:09:34

was awesome, and maybe it could

1:09:36

have been 45 minutes, but they're

1:09:38

like, it's gotta be an hour

1:09:40

and a half because everyone paid.

1:09:42

like the excellent point that there

1:09:44

there are ways that it definitely

1:09:46

feels 20 years old or 30

1:09:48

years old however old it is

1:09:50

because that you know it is

1:09:52

impressive and I think it was

1:09:54

more impressive 30 years ago and

1:09:56

no one had seen that coming

1:09:58

30 years ago yeah someone's like

1:10:00

what's with a broom you're like

1:10:02

Now in a post-tic-tock generation, you're

1:10:04

watching videos where a guy throws

1:10:06

a ping pong. ball into the

1:10:08

over the ocean a seagull eats

1:10:10

it then shits it it lands

1:10:12

on a table at a velocity

1:10:14

you can't imagine and a guy

1:10:16

misses it and then a crowd

1:10:18

erupts because it was the Olympics

1:10:20

right you see that right it's

1:10:22

a little less exciting that someone's

1:10:24

like I know I'm not saying

1:10:26

it's just how things age and

1:10:28

the thing that will be the

1:10:30

next stomp It's going to be

1:10:32

fucking nuts. Yeah, and then in

1:10:34

30 years, we will be like,

1:10:36

okay, that's just it. That goes

1:10:38

back to my theory. I want

1:10:41

to be on the record as

1:10:43

much as I can. I think

1:10:45

in 20 years, what we consider

1:10:47

hardcore pornography now will be considered

1:10:49

quaint and old fashioned. That's scary.

1:10:51

I don't think it's because it's

1:10:53

like going to be nine Dix

1:10:55

or something. I mean like in

1:10:57

the future it's going to be

1:10:59

like an AI 3D immersive like.

1:11:01

mountains or boobes and there's a

1:11:03

fucking butt the size of Utah.

1:11:05

Yeah. You know what I mean?

1:11:07

Right. And it's not, it's actually

1:11:09

trans, it's like, it's beyond sexuality.

1:11:11

It's like, it's so erotic that

1:11:13

you and I wouldn't recognize it

1:11:15

in the same way that a

1:11:17

caveman wouldn't understand time square. Yeah.

1:11:19

If you see what's going to

1:11:21

be erotic in 20 years, it

1:11:23

would look like a screensaver to

1:11:25

us. I don't know. I wonder,

1:11:27

I wonder, though, if we, I

1:11:29

wonder if we correct, if we

1:11:31

like, like, pendulum swing a little

1:11:33

bit. Oh, I hope we're going

1:11:35

into five and times and looking

1:11:37

in a little projector and there's

1:11:39

one photograph in it. Yeah, because

1:11:41

this is, you know, not to

1:11:43

like, pull everybody into my. Bob

1:11:45

Dylan rabbit hole like leaving Bob

1:11:47

Dylan out of it We are

1:11:49

having the experience of like okay

1:11:51

if you if you're looking at

1:11:53

Bob Dylan chronologically You go to

1:11:55

60s Dylan and it is so

1:11:57

Like so quaint and adorable even

1:11:59

though he was being like edgy

1:12:01

at the time. But it's all

1:12:03

black and white. He's so young,

1:12:05

any time he barely flashes a

1:12:08

smile, both of us like clutch

1:12:10

our hearts and you're just like,

1:12:12

oh my God, he's so dreamy

1:12:14

and so cute. And then we

1:12:16

tried to watch Rolling Thunder

1:12:18

Review yesterday, which is. him

1:12:20

in the 70s. And it's

1:12:22

so 70s. And it's so 70s because

1:12:24

the 60s just kind of kept

1:12:26

going more in the direction that

1:12:29

it was going, which was getting

1:12:31

freakier, decier and more drugs and

1:12:33

more drugs. And then the 70s

1:12:36

was a fucking trippy-ass nightmare of

1:12:38

a decade. Yeah, I don't know if I

1:12:40

like the 70s. I don't think I like

1:12:43

the 70s. And he's like in like he's

1:12:45

got like he's got a white face and

1:12:47

like eye-liner and he's got feathers in his

1:12:49

hat and he looks really like Bohemian and

1:12:52

weird and he's singing the songs all sloppy

1:12:54

and you're just like this is the 70s

1:12:56

like this is so it's making us feel

1:12:58

weird feel like we're gonna have bad dreams

1:13:00

I thought so too and I think I did

1:13:03

I don't think I slept great but then if

1:13:05

you think about it like

1:13:07

so then that So the

1:13:09

70s kept going like that

1:13:11

and then the 80s it

1:13:13

was like all yuppy yeah

1:13:15

capitalists like really tight yeah

1:13:18

uptight square and even

1:13:20

the musicians looked like

1:13:23

they were 3D printed by a computer in

1:13:25

the 80s. Yeah, totally. We had a

1:13:27

3D printer from the 20-20s, but we

1:13:29

had a computer from the 80s, like

1:13:31

it's Apple II, and it was like,

1:13:33

here's a rock star, and it's all

1:13:35

square and purple, and the sleeves are

1:13:38

rolled up, and sunglasses and big hair,

1:13:40

sloppy pants. And think about this,

1:13:42

like, if you say. a 70s

1:13:44

porno, everybody knows. Everybody knows what

1:13:46

that looks like. If you say

1:13:48

an 80s porno, people are like,

1:13:50

I don't know that reference. I

1:13:53

see the decor. We're in a white

1:13:55

modern apartment now. Yeah,

1:13:57

but it's not like in the

1:13:59

zeitgeist. Like 70s porn had a

1:14:01

huge place in the society in the

1:14:03

culture of the 70s. And in the

1:14:06

80s it was you know just a

1:14:08

little bit more like on the down

1:14:10

though. So I just have this feeling

1:14:12

that we're gonna like always do that

1:14:15

a little bit. I hope you're right.

1:14:17

I've certainly cooled on my world like

1:14:19

the whole world is about to be

1:14:21

upside down. AI feelings. It seems to

1:14:24

be a little more gentle. In fact,

1:14:26

it is. The way, the things that

1:14:28

I was listening and watching that were

1:14:30

predicting, what it was predicting, those things

1:14:33

already didn't come to fruition. It's just,

1:14:35

it's different. And didn't I say that?

1:14:37

Not to pat myself. It's never what

1:14:39

you think it's going to be. No.

1:14:42

That doesn't mean it's not going to

1:14:44

be life-changing and a shift in the

1:14:46

world, I'm sure, but it's always surprising.

1:14:48

It's always surprising. And I think like

1:14:51

the whole thing of, you know, I

1:14:53

think we often go, man, if things

1:14:55

keep going down this road, it's going

1:14:57

to get monstrous, and that is true.

1:15:00

But we know that, like we know

1:15:02

that in our deepest... DNA that you

1:15:04

can't just have more and more and

1:15:06

more and more and more down one

1:15:09

path. And I think even on, I

1:15:11

think it is mostly unconsciously, we tend

1:15:13

to kind of self-correct. Yeah. And I

1:15:15

don't think we ever find perfect balance.

1:15:18

Someone unplugs from the matrix and goes

1:15:20

like, this isn't humanity. Yeah. And liberates

1:15:22

everyone. Right. And then I do think

1:15:24

that often results in overcorrecting. So I'm

1:15:27

not. saying that we find perfect balance,

1:15:29

but it just seems like it is

1:15:31

never what we think because we're all,

1:15:33

you know, we're, we're, it's the slippery

1:15:36

slope sort of argument where it's like

1:15:38

if people, if men can marry men,

1:15:40

then soon people are going to be

1:15:42

marrying their dogs. And you're just like,

1:15:45

this isn't, that's not actually how things

1:15:47

tend to work. That's right. And because

1:15:49

it's always surprising too, that even applies

1:15:51

there. It's not what your dumb, fucking

1:15:54

first guess is. Yeah. Okay, I'm an

1:15:56

Amish guy. You're staying in my house.

1:15:58

I put you in the bedroom, there's

1:16:00

a candle, and then I go, the

1:16:03

password for the Wi-Fi is shh. Because

1:16:05

it's a secret. But it's just S-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-t.

1:16:07

Valerie Oh, it feels too abrupt. Yeah,

1:16:09

I feel good. Yeah, feel good. Yeah,

1:16:12

feel good. Thomas joke was fine. It

1:16:14

was fine. It was fine. What are

1:16:16

these stomp guys going to be doing?

1:16:18

Also, how many calories does it? Performance

1:16:21

of stomp burn? I mean, just so

1:16:23

many. I did. I did make also

1:16:25

the point that I wish that they

1:16:27

would just put on tap shoes and

1:16:30

tap dance because I feel like I

1:16:32

could watch good tap dancing for hours

1:16:34

and hours. But then my friend Lisa

1:16:36

was like, yeah, but... This was 30

1:16:39

years ago. They probably didn't do that

1:16:41

because that's what most of the musicals

1:16:43

and plays were. Oh yeah. And they

1:16:45

were trying to revolutionize and redefine it

1:16:48

for a new generation. But they are

1:16:50

tricking you into liking tap dancing. That's

1:16:52

for sure. I mean, who doesn't like

1:16:54

tap dancing? But also, who doesn't think

1:16:57

that they also could tap dance probably?

1:16:59

Yeah, give me the shoes. I'm like

1:17:01

30% there. And I think it's like

1:17:03

the hardest kind of dancing. I also

1:17:06

said to you at one point because

1:17:08

this the one of the guys was

1:17:10

like doing tiny little fast stumps yeah

1:17:12

and like yeah and it's harder than

1:17:15

it looks yeah and it was like

1:17:17

this is one of those things that

1:17:19

is more impressive than it looks which

1:17:21

is not what you want yeah you

1:17:24

want like ballet where you're like this

1:17:26

looks easy but it wait no that's

1:17:28

the same yeah I know you mean

1:17:30

you know what I mean You're like,

1:17:33

make it look harder than it actually

1:17:35

is. Well, the ultimate way to enjoy

1:17:37

stomp is if they brought you on

1:17:39

stage one by one and to try

1:17:42

to. Try to. step this

1:17:44

fast And then then you

1:17:46

did and then were

1:17:48

like I'll show you

1:17:51

and then they

1:17:53

did it and you'd

1:17:55

be like it and you'd

1:17:57

be like, you're crying

1:18:00

blood because you did

1:18:02

it for two

1:18:04

seconds you did it for two

1:18:06

right now we can

1:18:09

say bye all

1:18:11

right everybody thanks for

1:18:13

listening and keep

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it and keep it crispy.