This week, Zack is joined by actor, comedian, and clown Cam Kiernan for a funny and insightful conversation about the world of clowning, acting, and why not all performers vibe with commercial gigs.

Cam breaks down why clown classes are actually super cool and how they’ve become a kind of alt-comedy bootcamp. They also talk about the creative tension actors face when jumping between personal, vulnerable work and more polished, commercial roles.

🎭 Topics include:

• Why clowning feels like the new alt-comedy

• The struggle some actors have with commercial work

• Balancing creative freedom with industry expectations

Whether you're an actor, a comic, or just someone who likes hearing artists get real about their process, this episode hits that sweet spot between deep and ridiculous.

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