10:00

Do you know how they make ice one? I

10:02

don't know, they just put wine over ice? No,

10:06

they pick the grapes when they've been frozen outside.

10:08

Oh wow, I did not know that. Yeah, they

10:10

pick frozen grapes, isn't that cool? It is cool.

10:13

Being a non-drinker, I tend

10:15

not to know these things.

10:18

After Crystal's stepdad left, it was up

10:20

to Crystal's mom Vera and her children,

10:22

Crystal and her half-brother Gourd, to care

10:25

for the farm and its animals. Crystal

10:27

was unafraid of strenuous physical labor and

10:29

grew into a strong woman doing her

10:32

chores around the farm, which included the

10:34

demanding task of bailing hay. Before

10:37

school, she was up before dawn, watering

10:39

and feeding the horses daily. According

10:42

to the book, I Got a Name

10:44

by Eliza Robertson, out of necessity, Crystal

10:46

also became quite the mechanic, able to

10:48

repair farm equipment and the family pickup.

10:51

Crystal later moved in with her dad

10:53

Phillip's side of the family and step-brother

10:55

Gourd and mom Vera moved to Alberta.

10:58

In a 2019 interview, Brother

11:01

Gourd reminisced about growing up with

11:03

Crystal on the farm, where they

11:05

bonded over their love for horses,

11:07

attending shows and competitions. According

11:09

to Gourd, their time on the

11:11

farm instilled in Crystal the work

11:13

ethic and independence she carried through

11:15

her life. He fondly

11:18

remembered Crystal and their mother singing

11:20

together at home and on stage,

11:22

creating a seamless harmony, during which

11:24

it was hard to distinguish their

11:26

voices from one another. Crystal

11:29

was not only physically strong, but

11:31

also intelligent. After graduating

11:34

high school, she attended university

11:36

in St. Catharines, where she

11:38

studied engineering. As she

11:40

exercised her brain, Crystal kept physically

11:42

fit and strong. Doesn't she seem

11:44

so well-rounded to you? Very much,

11:46

very, very much. Do you meet

11:48

these people in life sometimes that

11:50

have so, have their shit together,

11:53

that they stand out, you know? It's like, wow,

11:56

wow. The more I learned about Crystal

11:58

Senec, the more I thought, Wow,

12:01

what a cool person. What

12:03

an interesting person. She really,

12:06

really was well-rounded, that's for

12:08

sure. Yeah. Crystal moved

12:10

to Whitehorse in 1988, where

12:12

she worked in the city's

12:14

engineering department. She was often

12:16

the only woman overseeing all-male

12:18

work crews doing roadwork. Sometimes

12:21

the macho dudes in the crew resented being

12:24

told what to do by a woman, but

12:26

quickly learned that Crystal Sennick was no-nonsense and

12:28

really knew her stuff. Crystal

12:31

was mentioned for her innovative thoughts in

12:33

news articles in 1989 when, as Whitehorse's

12:37

utilities technologist, she

12:40

proposed analyzing samples from an oil

12:42

pit in the city's landfill for

12:44

recycling. Crystal had

12:47

a cabin on Porcupine Creek, a

12:49

10-minute drive from the community of

12:51

Carcross, a small historically significant community

12:54

about an hour's drive south of

12:56

Whitehorse. It sits

12:58

between rugged mountains and the shores

13:00

of Bennett and Nair's lakes. Named

13:03

initially Caribou Crossing, it became

13:06

Carcross in 1904 due to

13:08

frequent Caribou migrations. The

13:11

area is home to the Carcross

13:13

Tagish First Nation and

13:15

reflects a deep indigenous heritage,

13:18

known for its natural beauty,

13:20

including the unique, world's smallest

13:22

desert and turquoise lakes, Carcross

13:24

is a gateway to the

13:26

Klondike Gold Rush route. Today

13:28

it attracts outdoor enthusiasts with

13:31

mountain biking trails, scenic hikes,

13:33

and vibrant indigenous art and

13:35

culture. Porcupine Creek

13:37

is surrounded by rugged mountains,

13:39

dense forests, and alpine meadows.

13:42

It's home to diverse wildlife

13:44

including Caribou, bears, and moose.

13:46

Historically the area saw activity

13:48

during the Klondike Gold Rush

13:50

as a route for prospectors

13:52

with remnants of this past

13:54

still visible today. Now

13:57

famous for hiking, camping, and fishing, Porcupine

13:59

Creek is a place to live. Flying

14:01

Creek offers visitors a pristine, scenic experience

14:04

in the Yukon's wilderness. Crystal

14:06

loved the outdoors. She hunted grizzly

14:08

bears, so the property was the

14:10

perfect place for her. The

14:13

cabin she'd bought from a man named

14:15

Rabbit John needed a lot of work.

14:18

It was full of junk and rabbit

14:20

turds. Somehow Crystal

14:22

also found time to compete in

14:25

various physical competitions. In

14:27

February of 1989, she competed to

14:29

earn cash for window replacements in

14:31

her Car Cross cabin. Crystal

14:34

signed up to compete in both

14:36

the arm wrestling and the flower

14:39

packing competitions for the Yukon Sourdough

14:41

Rendezvous Festival. She handily

14:43

won the arm wrestling competition and

14:46

carried 581 pounds, 263 kilograms of flower, 11

14:51

meters across the finish line to win $500 in

14:53

that competition. From

14:56

the White Horse Daily Star on February 27, 1989, Quote,

15:02

Victorious at the 581-pound level, Senec

15:04

then tried to make a new

15:06

record with 625 pounds but

15:10

collapsed after approximately 6 meters. I

15:12

could feel my knee tingle at

15:15

581 pounds and in the record-breaking

15:17

attempt it was too tender on

15:19

my knee, so I let go,

15:21

Senec explained after the competition. Senec

15:24

explained that most of her training has

15:26

come from building her new house. As

15:29

a matter of fact, I'm going home now

15:32

to put my sun windows in, Senec said,

15:34

End quote. Keeping busy in July

15:37

1989, she

15:39

won first place in the novice trap

15:41

shooting tournament in Car Cross. She'd

15:43

also developed a passion for arm wrestling

15:46

and began competing internationally coming in fourth

15:48

in the right-handed women's 174-pound or 70-kilogram

15:50

weight class at the World Sit

15:55

Down Arm Wrestling Championships at the

15:58

Sheridan Center in Houston, Texas. Crystal

16:01

was not used to losing at arm wrestling

16:03

and was impressed by the strength of her

16:05

competitors. She lost

16:07

at the semi-final to a Swedish arm wrestler.

16:10

Americans took the top two spots. From

16:13

the White Horse Daily Star on November 5th, 1990,

16:15

quote, It's

16:18

the first time I've run into competition.

16:20

Actually, it's the first time I've ever

16:22

lost, said Senek, in the phone conversation

16:24

from Houston. She

16:26

lost largely due to inexperience,

16:28

particularly when her American competitors used

16:31

a tactic she'd never seen

16:33

before. One of

16:35

my Canadian teammates asked me how I

16:37

was going to counter their back pressure

16:39

and top roll move, and I

16:41

said, what's that? That move,

16:43

in which the competitor changes grips,

16:45

often during a bout, was the

16:47

one that sunk Senek. She opened

16:50

the championships Friday with a win

16:52

over the same Swedish girl she

16:54

lost to in the semi-finals, but

16:56

lost later in the day to

16:59

an American girl employing the top-roll

17:01

style. Quote, It was

17:03

very difficult to hang onto her hand,

17:05

and that burnt out my arm, end quote.

17:09

Yeah, it's really interesting, like, her

17:12

tenacity in this arm wrestling competition.

17:15

Kind of symbolic of

17:18

her inner strength, you know, and

17:20

how she, you know,

17:22

looking at her up there in

17:25

the north, right, she really

17:27

exceeded sort of societal expectations

17:29

in sort of this male-dominated setting,

17:31

right? 100%, yeah. And

17:33

she's kind of an unconventional heroine

17:36

in sort of this sort of rugged region.

17:40

Yeah, that's why I found this story compelling for

17:42

that exact reason. She's

17:49

just fantastic, right? The

18:00

city of Whitehorse and took a job

18:02

as an engineer in the Federal Land

18:04

Claims Office. A Federal

18:06

Land Claims Office manages and

18:08

resolves land claims by indigenous

18:10

groups. These claims

18:12

often involve disputes over historical

18:15

treaties, land use or resources.

18:18

The office facilitates negotiations between

18:20

the government and indigenous communities

18:23

to reach agreements to restore

18:25

land rights, provide

18:27

financial compensation or

18:30

allocate natural resources to

18:32

address past injustices. By

18:35

supporting indigenous self-determination and land

18:37

ownership, the office plays a

18:40

critical role in reconciliation and

18:42

upholding the legal rights of

18:44

indigenous peoples in Canada. It

18:47

was challenging work, but Crystal loved

18:49

what she did. Environmentally

18:53

minded and community driven, Crystal

18:55

successfully made her way into

18:58

municipal politics. In September of

19:00

1991, she was elected as

19:02

a member of the Car Cross Council. Crystal's

19:06

family had first thought Crystal's move was

19:08

a whim, and the family

19:10

bet on her swift return. Some

19:12

gave her a few weeks, others said months,

19:14

but they were wrong. Crystal

19:16

loved it up there. She loved

19:19

the place and loved the people just as

19:21

much. Step brother Gord recalled that Crystal encouraged

19:23

him and Vera to relocate to the Yukon

19:26

in the mid-1980s and early 1990s. Yeah,

19:30

it doesn't seem like this was just

19:32

a relocation for her, but it was

19:34

embracing a lifestyle. The

19:38

Yukon I imagine is demanding but rewarding at

19:41

the same time. And

19:43

it kind of shows, people

19:46

at Crystal do that, they have a spirit of

19:48

independence moving up there. Definitely.

19:50

And it's interesting, so she found it

19:53

like here's her spiritual home. So yeah,

19:55

move my people closer to me because

19:57

I don't want to go back to...

20:00

to Fenwick. Active,

20:02

involved, and outgoing, Crystal Senec met

20:04

and made friends easily. She gifted

20:06

kittens to a colleague friend's children

20:08

as their first pets. She

20:11

was well loved by many people

20:13

and was an avid and meticulously

20:16

organized learner, always jotting down her

20:18

plans and goals, and genuinely loved

20:20

children. However, one

20:23

of her very best friends in Car

20:25

Cross was a woman named Lynn Baxx

20:27

and she'd known Lynn for years. Crystal

20:29

and Lynn had been best buddies since

20:32

their time together at Brock University back

20:34

in Ontario. In fact, it

20:36

was during a visit with Lynn in the 1980s

20:38

that Crystal had decided to move to the

20:40

Yukon. Lynn's husband,

20:43

Ronald Jeffrey Baxx, a sculptor,

20:45

taxidermist, outdoorsman, wilderness guide, and

20:47

gun expert, had a hot

20:50

temper. Yeah, you don't

20:52

want to meet a taxidermist for the

20:54

hot temper. No, like Norman Bates. Yeah.

20:58

According to friends, Ron was a generally

21:00

good father who took pride in his

21:02

family. He once risked

21:04

his own life to protect others

21:06

when the breaks of his steamroller

21:08

failed while working construction in Whitehorse.

21:11

However, his recklessness sometimes put his

21:13

family in danger. On

21:16

one occasion, he took a heavily pregnant

21:18

Lynn to retrieve an antler from a

21:20

deer carcass without warning her about the

21:23

potential presence of a grizzly bear. Their

21:26

dog inadvertently attracted the bear's attention

21:28

and Ron was forced to shoot

21:30

the animal in self-defense when it

21:32

attacked him. Lynn

21:34

was furious at Ron's carelessness, which

21:37

could have resulted in tragedy and

21:40

unnecessarily cost the bear its life.

21:42

Despite what Ron's friends saw, at

21:44

home he was controlling and violent

21:46

with his wife and did not

21:48

like the time Lynn spent with

21:50

anyone but him, especially

21:52

Crystal Sinek. In

21:54

her book, I Got a Name, Eliza Robertson

21:56

claims that Ron back saw Crystal not just

21:59

as a close friend of Lin's but also

22:01

a rival, a threat to

22:03

his continued control over his wife. As

22:07

well as threatening his wife, Ron blamed

22:09

Crystal for his marital troubles with Lin,

22:12

and he behaved in threatening ways

22:14

toward her too. Ron banned Crystal

22:17

from their house, but the pals

22:19

kept up their friendship despite his

22:21

orders. So once

22:23

again we see a fragile eagle hiding behind

22:25

a man who blames women for his failures.

22:29

These stories almost right themselves, Mike.

22:32

Partner violence often follows the same

22:34

pattern of one

22:37

deeply insecure individual, not always a

22:39

man but it usually is, that

22:42

lashes out because of their own

22:45

ineptness. He feels

22:47

like he's losing control of somebody

22:49

he wants to control. That old

22:52

chestnut. Ron was enraged when

22:54

Lin decided to leave him on Boxing Day

22:56

1991, especially when he found out Crystal

23:00

was helping Lin by scouting out

23:02

a transition house where she could

23:04

shelter from Ron's violent tirades. Crystal

23:07

told a friend that if she happened to

23:10

be in a local store at the same

23:12

time as Ron, he would glare menacingly at

23:14

her, not saying a word. She

23:16

also claimed he was threatening her by phone.

23:19

At one point Ron told Lin

23:21

that he could quote, take Crystal

23:23

out, and Crystal was in fear

23:25

for her life. What kind of

23:27

person says things like that? It's an

23:30

asshole. It's so far beyond normal human

23:32

behavior, right? Like we hear this stuff

23:35

at times on the show, but can

23:37

you imagine any of your friends or

23:40

anyone you know saying

23:42

quote, they could take someone out,

23:44

Mike? Uh, actually I can because

23:46

I've heard it. Oh, that's just,

23:49

oh god, I hope you're not close friends

23:51

with whoever said that. No, I'm not friends

23:53

with that person at all anymore. Anyway. On

23:56

February 29th, Lin moved into a

23:58

new rental property with a The following day, March

24:00

1st, Ron unexpectedly arrived at the new house. He

24:06

insisted on taking their children to an

24:08

air show, despite the arrangement that visits

24:10

were supposed to be organized through their

24:12

mutual friend Suzanne. After some debate, Lynn

24:14

allowed the boys to go with Ron.

24:19

Surprisingly, Ron returned with the children just

24:21

45 minutes later, much earlier than expected.

24:25

This premature return was the

24:27

first indication that something was

24:29

amiss. An argument

24:31

ensued outside the house during which Ron

24:33

made veiled threats, saying Lynn wouldn't be

24:36

seeing him or the children if she

24:38

didn't allow him access. This

24:41

confrontation marked the first time Lynn felt

24:43

that she truly stood up for herself

24:45

against Ron. Later

24:47

that day, the situation became more

24:49

serious when Ron called out their

24:51

mutual friend Suzanne. He instructed

24:54

her to tell Lynn that, quote, the hunt

24:56

is on, and that he was on his

24:58

way. This message

25:00

was particularly alarming given Ron's occupation

25:03

as a big game hunter and

25:05

his access to firearms. Concerned

25:08

for their safety, Crystal drove Lynn

25:10

and her sons back to the

25:12

transition home they had only recently

25:14

left. While there,

25:16

they awaited the arrival of an RCMP

25:18

officer to report the incident. When

25:21

the RCMP arrived, Lynn and Crystal

25:23

expressed their fears about Ron's threats.

25:26

Lynn explained the altercation earlier that

25:28

day and showed one officer

25:30

Ron's threatening message, which she had written

25:33

on a tissue. Despite

25:35

their concerns, the officer advised them

25:37

to obtain a restraining order, but

25:39

stated that the police couldn't intervene

25:41

unless Ron broke the law. The

25:45

officer offered to look for Ron, but

25:47

couldn't guarantee finding him or providing an

25:49

escort for Crystal when she decided to

25:51

return home. Despite the

25:53

staff members' concerns and offer of a

25:55

bed for the night at the transition

25:57

home, Crystal decided she would go instead.

26:00

stay with Suzanne. At

26:02

Suzanne's house, Crystal spoke with Graham,

26:04

Suzanne's husband, and Ron's friend, who

26:06

didn't believe Ron would follow through on his

26:09

threats. He was blowing off steam, they

26:11

said. Against

26:13

Suzanne's advice, and despite the apparent

26:15

danger, Crystal returned to her own

26:17

home that night. According

26:19

to Eliza Robertson's book, I

26:22

got a name Crystal's parting words to

26:24

Suzanne were, quote, I'm

26:26

tired of living my life according

26:28

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Yeah. It's not often that you have,

27:55

uh, that I've heard of, you know,

27:58

abusive partners. her husband's

28:00

murdering friends of their partners like this.

28:03

And in fact, when I first read the

28:06

script, I kept on mixing up crystal and

28:08

then in my head because my expectation that

28:10

the victim was going to be his partner.

28:12

Yep. You know what I mean? And, um,

28:14

usually, usually, I mean, I, I did some

28:16

reading around this and usually the victim will

28:19

be the person who the,

28:21

uh, narcissist or

28:23

coercive person believes is responsible

28:26

for what's going on. Okay.

28:28

Yeah. And, and I, I

28:30

also kind of question

28:33

why the RCMP couldn't get

28:35

involved in Holloman earlier. I

28:37

mean, he was uttering death threats and for all

28:40

I, like, I think uttering death threats is against

28:42

the law. Like, did they not pull

28:44

him in at all to have a

28:46

word with him? Yeah. So there's a, there's a

28:48

failure on the RCMP's part right there. I

28:51

went through a similar situation

28:53

around the same time, the

28:55

same era, uh, where

28:58

someone was calling up our house and

29:00

not saying nice things and even

29:03

said that they wanted to kill my mom. So,

29:08

you know, uh, yeah. Did

29:10

you call the police? Yep. What did they

29:12

say? We can't do anything unless there's a

29:14

crime committed and we can't prove that, that

29:17

that was that person because it was from

29:19

a payphone. Interesting. Yeah. I guess they didn't

29:21

want to do fingerprinting on a payphone for

29:23

a death threat. Yeah. Either

29:26

they're too busy doing other things.

29:28

Way too busy. Making Mr. Big

29:30

stinks. Not, not the

29:32

Bridgewater police. No, they're too busy doing

29:34

other things. Getting cats

29:37

out of trees. Yeah. There's,

29:40

there's some stories there that, uh, that

29:42

I could tell, but I won't. Getting

29:45

Mike out of a tree. No,

29:48

actually. Did you ever get

29:50

stuck in a tree when you were young? No, I

29:52

did not. It's fun. I may have

29:54

fell out of a few. On

29:57

March 2nd, 1992. Suzanne

30:01

attempted to contact Crystal by phone

30:03

but received no answer. Crystal

30:06

hadn't shown up for work either. No one could

30:08

get in touch with her. One coworker

30:10

was concerned, especially as Crystal had

30:12

confided in her friends and workmates

30:14

about Ron's threats. So,

30:17

the police were called. At

30:19

11 a.m. that day, RCMP officers

30:21

found Crystal Sinek, dead in the

30:23

doorway of her cabin. She'd been

30:25

shot. Crystal's mother

30:27

later spoke to the White Horse Daily Star

30:29

about the day she heard Crystal was gone,

30:31

from a 2016 article

30:34

by Pierre Chauvin. Quote, From that day

30:36

she remembers her son's call crying on

30:38

the phone. She recalls being brought to

30:40

the airport. She remembers sitting in a

30:42

wheelchair, looking at planes taking off and

30:44

landing while waiting for her flight back

30:47

to White Horse. The

30:49

rest is gone. I don't know how

30:51

I got home, she said. Losing

30:53

her 29-year-old daughter hit her, and it

30:55

hit her hard up to this day.

30:58

The shock is unbelievable, she said. The

31:01

toll it took on her physical and mental

31:03

health required her to take medication. I

31:06

couldn't control my anger, she remembers. Try

31:08

and have a life. It's next to

31:11

impossible. You get around like a zombie.

31:13

End quote. Suspicion

31:16

fell on Ronald Bax immediately, but he

31:18

was gone with the wind. While police

31:21

search for Ron according to the news

31:23

reports during the immediate aftermath, RCMP

31:25

had 16 people they

31:28

were protecting as potential next

31:30

victims of Ron's. So

31:32

now he's committed a crime. This is

31:34

why I find it

31:36

so disheartening, right? Like somebody

31:39

has to die, and it's not like,

31:42

oh now they're just acting for that one person, but

31:45

there's 16 people. Like if there

31:47

was something that concerned them that much, why

31:50

were they not involved before somebody got

31:52

murdered? I agree. From

31:55

zero to 100, right? Well

31:58

we saw that in Nova Scotia. So

34:00

many different things that you

34:03

know and he was an outdoorsman So

34:05

he knew his way around the

34:08

investigation mobilized significant resources including

34:10

helicopters planes and 25 officers

34:14

Crystal had suffered a fatal gunshot

34:16

wound from a high-caliber rifle Her

34:19

body was flown to Vancouver for an autopsy

34:22

Over 200 people attended crystals funeral

34:24

Reverend Don Lewis of the Whitehorse

34:26

United Church honored her love for

34:28

sports the outdoor engineering

34:30

work and dedication to the community

34:33

and indigenous land claims Tim

34:35

cop key a federal land

34:38

claims negotiator praised crystals mental

34:40

physical and moral strength According

34:43

to those who knew her she had a

34:45

great sense of humor was deeply loyal adored

34:47

children and dogs Renovated her

34:49

own home and enjoyed playing music.

34:52

She was sort of the best of us wasn't she? Someone

34:55

like that in a small community is big Yeah

34:58

Three days after crystal was found

35:00

deceased Ronald Jeffrey Bax was charged

35:02

with first-degree murder in absentia Ronald

35:05

Bax's family called for him to surrender

35:07

from their family home in Walkerton, Ontario

35:11

An all-points bulletin was issued across

35:13

Canada and Alaska and border crossings

35:15

were alerted There was no sign

35:17

of Ronald Bax and police are

35:19

still looking for him in November

35:22

of 1992 crystals family was flummoxed

35:24

that they still had not seen

35:27

crystals autopsy report Police

35:29

told them it was being held back due

35:31

to an ongoing criminal investigation, but it seemed

35:33

a moot point by then They

35:36

hadn't found Ron Crystal's

35:38

mom Vera said she doesn't care if

35:40

it takes 50 years Ron

35:42

Bax must be brought to justice This

35:45

case first aired as a special bulletin

35:47

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35:50

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35:53

to the unsolved wiki Initially the

35:55

case would be featured as an

35:57

entire segment with interviews and reenactments

35:59

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called us this week. Alright,

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here's our first voicemail. Hi

48:12

Mike, hi Matthew, and of course Steve,

48:14

who is a good dog, of course

48:16

it's you. My name

48:18

is Kevin, I'm calling from Waterloo, Ontario. When

48:21

one of my other podcasts finished, Spotify

48:23

started playing your Episode 326, British

48:26

Home Child Migrant Scheme. I

48:28

enjoyed the episode and decided to go

48:31

back and check out your show, how

48:33

your show evolved. Like many of

48:35

your listeners, I'm a driver and have

48:37

lots of time on the road with my own thoughts.

48:40

I started listening in August of 2024,

48:42

but I'm now caught up to your

48:44

current episodes. It was

48:46

very surreal hearing you talk about Crime

48:48

Con Miami 2020, how you were looking

48:50

forward to it, and

48:53

knowing what was about to happen to the world

48:55

with COVID. Then watching your

48:57

progression through the pandemic, from the initial

49:00

jokes about, oh there's this COVID thing,

49:02

to the separation of you and he

49:04

who must not be named. Then

49:07

watching your bubble come into play,

49:09

and masks and cancellations. Then rebirth

49:11

for lack of a better word.

49:14

When I heard the first Halloween and

49:16

Christmas specials, I laughed and started telling

49:18

my family and friends that they had

49:20

to listen to this. Matthew's disclaimer became

49:23

very relevant. I have a

49:25

friend who is an RCMP and used to be

49:27

in Surrey, so I told him I was listening

49:29

for his name on any of the shows and

49:31

hoping he was a good egg. And he said,

49:34

leave it to you to listen to a black

49:36

website, listen to white crimes about a

49:38

guy by a guy named Brown. All

49:41

I said was, so you listen. I

49:44

almost stopped listening on Episode 300. That

49:47

was such a hard case to listen to. I have

49:49

a son who is of similar age as Daniel, and

49:51

was on a similar search for who he is. But

49:55

when he followed up with his mother Sarah

49:57

on Part 2, all was right again in

49:59

the world. really

52:01

does. Yeah, it's

52:04

crazy to hear that someone started

52:06

in August and has caught up

52:08

already. That's a lot of episodes

52:10

to pour through. Kevin's putting

52:12

lots of hours on the road by the sounds of it.

52:16

Yeah. Hey, Mike. Yes, Matthew. Never

52:20

mind. We'll do it. I threw you off. We'll

52:23

do it in the after show. No,

52:25

no, you have to do it now. Hey,

52:27

Mike. Yes, Matthew. You

52:29

did a scary corn maze last night,

52:32

didn't you? I did a scary corn

52:34

maze last night. Was it fun? It

52:37

was fun. And how about this? Let's

52:39

talk about it in the after show.

52:41

Okay. Did they spell it maze with

52:43

a Z or A-I-S-E? No,

52:46

it was maze with a Z. Okay. Even

52:48

though I was with an indigenous person. Corn

52:51

maze. Yes. All

52:54

right. Here's our second voicemail. Hey,

52:57

fellas. This is Sarah in Melbourne,

52:59

Florida. I just wanted

53:01

to give a quick thanks to all

53:03

the younger yarders who put

53:06

up some nice well-wishes

53:08

for all the Florida folk. I

53:11

have been fortunate. We did get hit

53:13

by Milton, but

53:17

did not have any major damage to

53:19

our home, thank goodness. My

53:21

mother, not as lucky, there was

53:24

over 170 tornadoes triggered

53:27

by Hurricane Milton. So even though she wasn't

53:29

in the past, her house was hit by

53:31

a tornado. So

53:33

I've got a house

53:36

guest. But I've got her, and that's

53:38

the important part. So thanks again. I

53:40

just wanted to say I

53:43

was listening to the Quebec ice

53:45

storm disaster

53:48

as I was preparing for Milton,

53:50

and we have

53:53

an enormous amount of gratitude in our

53:55

hearts and minds that we fared

53:57

better than so, so many others. Thanks

54:00

again for the show and for keeping

54:02

me sane in all of this and

54:05

go take a duke in your tube.

54:08

Bye guys. Uh wow. So I'm glad

54:10

you're okay and that your house fared

54:12

okay and I'm... It's

54:15

sad that your mom's house did not. Hit

54:18

by a tornado. Can you imagine Matthew

54:20

having your house hit by a tornado like... ...it

54:25

would more than suck. It'd

54:27

be like I'm in the basement

54:30

and you hear your house just being

54:32

torn apart kind of thing while

54:34

you're terrified that maybe

54:37

it's gonna reach you where you are or

54:39

whatever. I don't know how she got

54:42

out of it or where she sheltered but

54:44

I'm certainly grateful that she was okay

54:47

enough to come and visit. Holy

54:50

smokes. Do you want

54:53

to give Sarah a job Matthew? I

54:56

think she

55:00

creates retrieval

55:02

systems for the military. Retrieving

55:04

what though? What specifically? Submarine

55:07

detection systems and stuff like that.

55:09

Okay so. Because I know that

55:12

like her city actually has a

55:15

lot of military industrial complex sort of

55:17

companies. So I'm thinking she's some sort

55:20

of mad scientist for

55:22

war machines. There

55:24

you go. Well thanks Sarah for

55:26

you know... Keeping

55:29

us safe. Keeping us safe. Yeah

55:31

exactly. Hi Mike

55:33

and Matthew. I just thought

55:35

I would give a call in and say hi.

55:38

My name's Ivy. I have

55:40

been listening to you guys

55:42

since 2020. On

55:45

and off I like to

55:47

take my binge sprees where

55:49

I switch between different podcasts

55:51

and watch many or listen

55:53

to many episodes at once.

55:56

So I am a little bit behind when it comes

55:58

to where I am but...