How to stop worrying about small problems that don't matter (and kill your perfectionist)

How to stop worrying about small problems that don't matter (and kill your perfectionist)

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How to stop worrying about small problems that don't matter (and kill your perfectionist)

How to stop worrying about small problems that don't matter (and kill your perfectionist)

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won't notice that every day if

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you put a shirt on that

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And yet, the day that you

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put the shirt on and a

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that it's out of place and

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there's something wrong. In fact, the

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experience of noticing flaws is worse

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than this. Because often the things

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that go well, we don't act

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to spend any time in experiencing

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the thing going well. Let's say

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one day there is no cue

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to buy something at the supermarket

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or you're driving and there is

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no traffic. You don't spend any

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time sitting in the light waiting

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to get to the end of the

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cue, whereas if you arrive at the

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end of a very large cue, you

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have the whole cue to sit in

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being frustrated, you're bad luck. but you

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don't spend much time sitting in your

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good luck. Hello and welcome to the

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Growth Mindset podcast. Today we're going

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to talk about the concept of paying

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the price of admission. We're going to

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learn how to notice wider statistics in

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our life, to be more aware of

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all the good things in our life

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and recognise the size of the small

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costs we may pay to get the

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overall good things. This way we

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can accept. Small problems gladly

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and with a lot less

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frustration. So firstly we're

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going to talk about

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relationships. expect perfection from our relationships.

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And we're not always ready to deal

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with the other imperfections that just naturally

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occur with any person, we'll just look

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at their problems. We'll hold on to

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their floors and we'll try to change

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them and we'll store up our feelings

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and we'll just cause arguments and make

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the whole relationship worse for them and

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ourselves. Now if you want to ride

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on a roller coaster, you'll have to

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pay a fee to get on it.

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and it's the same with any person

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in the world will probably have some

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habits that you don't like because they

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are a human they are not a

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perfect entity. Equally you will probably have

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some habits that anybody else in the

2:39

world won't like and that is of

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course there are some non-negotiables whatever they

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might be for you that are part

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of a healthy relationship but other things

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you should be flexible on. Kill the

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art of negotiation James Clear states that...

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If you are stuck in a negotiation,

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figure out the one thing for you

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that it is truly non-negotiable and then

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you can compromise on anything else, it

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actually doesn't matter. So let's say you're

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a tidy person and the person you're

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in a relationship with is less tidy.

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They'll often leave dirty dishes around. That

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could be very annoying. But if they

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have lots of qualities that you do

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like and love and you enjoy having

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your time and your life with them,

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accept unfair offers in economic

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games. Now why? It's because they're

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just better at seeing the value

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in an imperfect situation. It might

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sound like they're just dumb and happy

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to get screwed over in a game,

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but perhaps they just aren't tearing

12:19

themselves apart to win any game

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at all costs regardless of how

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unimportant some aspects of that game are

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to the rest of their lives. When

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you feel grateful... you don't just

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feel warm and fuzzy, it literally

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changes how your brain calculates cost-benefit

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analyses. Instead of thinking, it's lame that

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my dog needs to be walked even when

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it's raining, a grateful mind thinks, I've got

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a loyal companion who brings joy and

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unconditional love into my life. Instead

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of focusing on the time it takes you

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to cook a recipe or the amount of

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dirty dishes you're cooking creates, you're grateful,

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instead you're grateful to have

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fresh ingredients and knowledge to make

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nutritious and delicious food. Instead of

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focusing on frustrations when you learn

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a new skill, you're happy for

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the opportunity to expand your mind

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along with the occasional struggle also

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go with it. So gratitude isn't about

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being a pushover, it's actually about growth

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mindset. Embracing the difficulties with

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open arms. Instead of sweating your

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losses, chasing your mate for whatever

13:19

five of you let them, you can transcend

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all that meaningless crap and worry and

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focus on your gains. Sure, in each

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little scenario you might feel like you're

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expecting a small loss, you might be

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losing some convenience in your life, but

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gratitude is about playing the more

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important game of overall life satisfaction

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by using some practical psychology

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that transforms how you experience

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your entire day and thus your life.

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The importance of this point is shown

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from a completely different angle if we

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look at it from the concept of

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perfection and the principle of diminishing

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returns. I did allude to this earlier,

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but whenever you try to optimize anything,

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after a certain point, your efforts to

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make something perfect... yield smaller and

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smaller improvements whilst the costs of course

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continue to rise. Let's say you want

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to enjoy your job and you want

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to find the perfect job. You might

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find one that meets 80% of your

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criteria with relatively little effort. Now getting

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to 90% perfect for you could require

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significantly more searching, significantly more time being

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unemployed in interviews etc. And then trying

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to reach 100% perfect. That might be

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literally impossible or require such extreme sacrifices

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in other areas of your life that

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it's really not worth it. The same

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principle applies to your investments. How many

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book drafts you make, health routines, practicing

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music, relationships of course. Basically everything has

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diminishing returns where the costs just become

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greater. We have to realize there's a

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sweet spot to aim for after which

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the benefits far outweigh the costs and

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pushing beyond that point will make your

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life... worse, not better. This is why

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accepting the price of admission as a

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concept is so smart, you're not settling

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for a partner below your worth, you're

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optimising for enjoying your life and actually

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living it. Fairy tales and society do

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make us a little bit broken by

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giving us these expectations that love is

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about some perfect person who's ideal in

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every way. When we think about any

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flaws in our partner, we're optimising for

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the wrong game when we only think

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about the concept of perfect in one

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dimension. Because, sure, they might annoy you

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in some ways, but how much more

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annoying would it be to remain single

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for 20 years with endless failed relationships?

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If you're putting your life on hold

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to constantly wait for it to get

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better, you're missing your entire life after

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all. Again, I'm not suggesting that you

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should never leave a relationship. I'm saying

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learn from the major deal breakers that

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you can't accept and then appreciate the

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people that do meet those deal breakers,

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regardless of whatever smaller nuances they might

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have. Because the concept of perfect is

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an illusion is an illusion, is an

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illusion. that will actually make you unhappy.

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This reminds me of the philosopher Martin.

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Arthur Nusbaum's brilliant concept of the descent

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of love. This directly conflicts with Plato

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who believe that love should ascend towards

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perfection. He said that we should love

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the ideal form of a person rather

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than the flawed reality. Whereas Nusbaum basically

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said, screw that, she turned the ladder

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upside down. She argued that true love

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requires descending into the messy, imperfect reality

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of actual humans. Not about overlooking flaws,

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it's about seeing them clearly... and lovingly

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anyway. It's not settling, it's a more

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mature, ultimately more satisfying form of love.

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When you take in on the paying

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the price of admission concept, in you're

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not just tolerating the floors, you're embracing

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the whole complex, wonderfully imperfect human being

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that you're with, and that's where the

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real magic happens. That's where you actually

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get to meet someone on their level

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and have a real connection. Because if

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you're putting pressure on someone to hide

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their floors or to change, they can't

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really you can't be yourself around them.

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and that of course makes the relationship

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worse. And for me this is a

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whole area where I think things just

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get really cool. When we can change

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our mindset and frame of thinking, research

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shows there's a reciprocal relationship between gratitude

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and then our life satisfaction. It's basically

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a virtuous cycle where the more grateful

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we are, the more satisfied we are

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with our life, which in turn makes

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us more grateful. So if you're accepting

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the price of admission concept, the good

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things in your life will trigger this

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virtuous virtuous cycle. You become more grateful

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for what you have, makes you happier,

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makes you more accepting of the small

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imperfections in your life, you become more

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grateful and on and on in an

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upwards pile of well-being and happiness. Sure,

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you probably won't reach like full enlightenment

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etc. But you get the point. Especially

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when you contrast it with the opposite

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which is the vicious cycle of perfectionism.

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You focus on flaws. It makes you

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less satisfied, which makes you even more

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miserable. which makes things seem even worse

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and you just get stuck in a

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downward. buy all of a perpetual disappointment

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and dissatisfaction with your life. And you

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really don't want to get a cause

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in that. And in case I haven't

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given you enough ways to think about

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this, I have two final short little

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mental models to help. One concept that

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perfectly aligns with the price of admission

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is the opportunity cost. What you are

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giving up when you refuse to pray

18:11

the price of admission, that means you

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dumber grey partner because they're messy or

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you sold your stocks because they're messy.

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Well, you're not just avoiding a small

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cost, you're potentially missing out on the

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massive benefits. So if you are a

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type A person who likes analyzing things

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and looking at costs of things, then

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using the full opportunity cost lens of

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a situation, and of course the opportunity

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costs of any perfectionism, makes things pretty

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obvious. People who can't take that small

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flaws end up with nothing, whilst those

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who pay the price of admission get

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to enjoy the ride. Finally, there's a

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Chinese folk tale about a water carrier

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named Changang who had two pots. One

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perfect and one cracked. The crack pot

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leat water all along the path, which

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initially seemed like a floor. But Chang

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Chang planted flower seeds along that side

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of the path. And this meant that

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the leaking water nourish these seedlings and

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created a beautiful garden that wouldn't have

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existed if she'd had two perfect pots.

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Sometimes when we're looking at things we

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perceive as flaws, we miss that they

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actually can create unexpected value. The partner

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who's messy might also be someone that's

19:15

spontaneous and creative that brings joy to

19:17

your life that you might not have

19:20

if you're an organized person. Volatile stock

19:22

to investments can deliver higher returns because

19:24

they're riskier. A challenging job that sometimes

19:26

keeps you working late might be building

19:29

some major skills for you that are

19:31

comfortable one never would. When you zoom

19:33

out and look at the big picture,

19:35

even if you start from the Big

19:38

Bang, as Tim Urban says, we always

19:40

find that imperfections aren't just inevitable They're

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often really valuable in ways that we

19:44

wouldn't have predicted. So when we're cursing

19:46

things going wrong, they're actually... going right

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and we just haven't worked out what's

19:51

going right yet. So the next time

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you are finding yourself fixating on a

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floor, remember you aren't just paying the

19:58

price of admission. You're buying a ticket

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to a richer, more satisfying life than

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perfectionism could ever prove. And hopefully it's

20:04

a price worth paying with a smile.

20:07

The observant amongst you might remember that

20:09

last month I mentioned having a rebrand

20:11

of the show. Well, as an update,

20:13

that's on a bit of a hiatus

20:15

because I'm actually launching an entirely new

20:18

show instead, which has been my focus.

20:20

So I'm keeping the growth mindset to

20:22

show as the growth mindset for now,

20:24

and the new show is going to

20:27

be about the history of innovation and

20:29

how the world changes, how we deal

20:31

with change, and how to create change.

20:33

It's going to be full of mental

20:36

models and systems thinking when it comes

20:38

to innovation, as well with lots of

20:40

history lessons and stories. going in chronological

20:42

order from the start of recorded history

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up to the present day. I'm excited

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about it and you'll hear more when

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it's actually released in a few weeks

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time, but for now you know what

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I'm up to and if you want

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to talk to me about it I

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have my Wednesday afternoons to take calls

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with listeners if they are feeling intrigued.

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The links are in the description if

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you want to get amongst it. Of

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course we also have the premium membership

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the description. Again, if you are interested.

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If you do feel like investing in

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making a good review of the show,

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that would make me very happy. But

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of course, I don't expect all of

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my listeners to go out and review

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the show instantly. That would be an

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irrational belief and would make me depressed

21:29

if I believed it because it wouldn't

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happen. Instead, I'm aware that most people

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are just busy. They're doing stuff with

21:36

their life rather than waiting around to

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make a good comment on my podcast.

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And you know, if you want to

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be a podcaster, you have to deal

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with the fact that even when you

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have thousands of listeners, a tiny percentage

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of that might lead to a review,

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if you're lucky. It's just human nature.

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So, anyway, on the topic of human

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nature, life is short and... is

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to be Importantly, Importantly, yourself

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yourself is not

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a thing for the

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future. It's not a

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future task that you'll get round to

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like leaving me a good me a good review.

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No, yourself is a task

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that starts right now. So be bloody

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lovely to yourself, even mean does mean

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doing some hard things. Remember, you

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can be grateful and enjoy doing the

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hard things. And whilst you're

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at it, be kind to someone

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else too. else too. you so much

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for listening. Your consistency to reach

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the end of an episode is legendary.

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feedback for the show, I'm always

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jump back into your busy life.

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