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before in our lives, but you give off

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3:14

to read to you. It would be really funny

3:16

if we offered you an acting position.

3:19

For the bit. We probably won't, though.

3:29

Rusty

3:32

Quill

3:36

Presents

3:40

The

3:44

Magnus

3:49

Protocol.

4:42

Ethner is a layer 2

4:44

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4:47

model that uses frames

4:49

governed by... Ethner is

4:51

a layer 2 protocol in

4:53

the OSI land model

4:55

that uses frames governed

4:57

by CSMA, CD or

4:59

CSMA, CA with V

5:01

lands using I-Trou-E-8002.1 cube,

5:03

all of which is monitored

5:06

by S&M-P which is itself...

5:11

is what you

5:13

get! Got

5:18

to assert yourself with textbooks.

5:20

It's the only way they'll

5:22

respect you. I see. I

5:24

don't get it. I just

5:26

don't. Most of it's not

5:28

even words. It's just stupid

5:30

tech noise. What are you

5:33

even reading? Ah. I thought it

5:35

might help. Makes sense. Friend

5:37

of mine used one to

5:39

set up a podcast. Windows

5:41

95 was the closest I

5:43

could find. Turns out they

5:45

don't sell a bullshit ancient

5:47

man-eating evil databases for dummies.

5:49

That feels like an oversight.

5:51

Yeah, well it wouldn't make a difference

5:53

even if I did have it. Colin wasn't

5:55

even writing in English by the end,

5:58

and what I can figure out. I

6:00

say he was a few round shots

6:02

of a hard drive. I don't

6:04

think that works as a tool. Yeah,

6:06

I know. How's things your end?

6:08

Not much better, honestly. Did

6:11

some more digging into

6:13

the Magnus Institute? And?

6:15

Just more alchemy stuff. What,

6:17

like, led into gold? Among

6:20

other things? Seems like it

6:22

was their big thing. But, honestly,

6:24

it feels like another dead

6:26

end. Keep trying. Alice.

6:29

Did you have any

6:31

look with Freddy?

6:33

Well, I did

6:36

what you suggested.

6:38

Trauling old cases

6:41

for anything familiar,

6:44

and I did find

6:47

something. Oh yeah? Yeah,

6:49

but I don't know

6:51

how helpful

6:53

it's going to

6:55

be. Entry. P.B.W.

6:57

2023.0814. M. 6972.

6:59

T.M. Entry reads.

7:02

Paroleboard for England

7:05

and Wales. Inmate. M.

7:07

6982. T.M. 8.14. August.

7:09

2023. Sight. H.

7:12

M. Prison Strange

7:14

Ways. Manchester. transcript

7:17

as follows. Chair. Morning

7:20

all. This hearing is convened as

7:22

of 11.06 a.m. Monday 14th August

7:24

2023 to consider parole for inmate

7:26

M. 69782 T.m. Mr. Terrence Menke

7:29

of Strangeways Prison held on

7:31

multiple counts of murder along

7:33

with various associated crimes and

7:35

misdemeanours. I am the panel

7:37

chair Mr. Obediah Quint. To

7:40

my left is our psychologist

7:42

Dr. Lindsay Harris and to

7:44

my right is Mr. Alan

7:46

stole us of the Elric

7:48

Rehabilitation Initiative our independent for

7:50

today. Stollus. Good morning. Chair.

7:52

We're also joined by Mr. Menke's

7:54

legal representative, Ms. Felica Ross,

7:56

along with Ms. Chloe Leahy,

7:58

for the prosecutor. Sahnbeard as

8:01

victim support and parole officer Connor's

8:03

cat sooge. Oh, and Rue Levern

8:05

is sitting in as stenographer for

8:07

today. Thank you, Mrs. Levern. Can

8:10

I get confirmation from the panel

8:12

before we proceed? Harris. Confirmed.

8:14

Stollas. Close good to me. Chair.

8:17

Excellent. In that case, let's hear

8:19

only statements from you, Ms. Ross,

8:21

Ross, when you're ready. Ross. Thank

8:23

you. I must clarify, however, that rather

8:25

than seeking parole today, my

8:27

client has in fact expressed a

8:30

desire not to be released at this

8:32

time. Chair. I see. I presume no

8:34

objections to that, Miss Leahy? Leahy. Not

8:36

at all? I used to crown. Chair. And how

8:38

about our advocate? Beard. We would

8:40

have objected to any parole

8:43

anyway. Chair. Understandable in

8:45

the circumstances? In that case,

8:47

does anyone have anything else to raise

8:49

before we consult? Harris. I

8:51

do. Since Mr. Menke's arrest in February

8:53

of 2000, he has shown no

8:55

remorse for his actions. In fact,

8:57

in his most recent psychological

8:59

evaluation, he was asked if

9:01

he had any regrets. He replied,

9:04

I hadn't finished yet. Beared,

9:06

Christ! Harris. If that's how he views

9:08

his crimes, then it seems odd to

9:10

me that he would wish to remain

9:12

incarcerated. Ross. I am given to understand

9:15

that Mr. Menke has been receiving

9:17

threatening mail, and fears acts

9:19

of reprisal. Stollas. There is

9:22

a record of an

9:24

investigation in his file. Leahy. That's

9:26

true, but it was found that

9:28

there was no credible threat.

9:31

Menke. No? Chair. Mr. Menke,

9:33

you will speak only when directly

9:36

addressed. Is that understood?

9:38

Katsoj. He was just some

9:40

kid's drawings. Manke. Chair. Control

9:42

your client or I will

9:45

have him removed. Ross. My

9:47

apologies. Harris. My

9:49

apologies. Harris. Mr. Menke, could

9:51

you please tell us who you believe

9:54

has threatened you? Chair, you may

9:56

answer the question Mr. Menke.

9:58

Menke. You won't believe me? Harris.

10:00

Answer the question, Mr.

10:03

Menke. Menke. They were sent to

10:05

move by Mr. Bonso. Catsuge.

10:08

For Christ's sake. Beard.

10:10

Oh, I'm sorry, but this is

10:12

obscene. We cannot let this hearing

10:15

be used to mock his victims

10:17

and their families. Chair. Ms.

10:20

Ross, any further disrespect

10:22

from your client and he

10:24

will be ejected from these

10:27

proceedings. Mr. Wait,

10:29

will you please put a stop

10:31

to this? Chair. Where are you going

10:33

with this, Alan? Stollus. Please,

10:36

humanly. Chair. Fine, but this

10:38

is the last time, you

10:40

understand? Answer the question, Mr.

10:43

Menke. Menke. What would you like

10:45

to know? Stollus. As much as

10:47

you care to tell me. Menke. Okay?

10:49

Mr. Bonzo used to be

10:52

everywhere growing up. Like God.

10:54

He was like God in a lot

10:56

of ways, really. He was always there.

10:58

Always had time for me. He

11:00

was dancing on the telly when dad

11:02

lost his job, singing on the radio

11:04

when things got worse, and watching from

11:07

the billboard outside when mom topped

11:09

herself. Dad liked to pretend he went

11:12

to church, but I used to pray to

11:14

Bonzo. And he just smiled and

11:16

waved like normal, but I knew, deep down.

11:18

They heard me. I'll remember, he was

11:20

making a huge ome look when I had

11:23

my dad's heading. There were smashed eggs all

11:25

over the studio. I remember laughing because it

11:27

was just so funny. Both of us making

11:29

such a mess. Wasn't a real one, no, you

11:31

know? Just kid stuff. But still, I thought

11:33

maybe he'd be proud of me. My first proper

11:36

try, I want much better of course. I was

11:38

still finding my feet. Barely out of

11:40

costume. Just a mask really, with these

11:42

big wobbly ears. We have to start somewhere,

11:44

don't you? And when I looked on the

11:46

TV that Saturday night there, there he was,

11:49

as always, as always, as always,

11:51

as always, as always, as always.

11:53

This time he was breaking violins

11:55

and the audience kept getting practice

11:57

makes perfect. That was when I knew that

11:59

he knew. And we both laughed and laughed

12:01

as the audience cheered us on. Next

12:03

one was much better. I did it with

12:06

a Father Christmas costume I bought in

12:08

Woolworths and I put down some pastids

12:10

catch a spray. I knew he was impressed

12:12

because that Saturday he did

12:14

a double length Christmas special. We

12:17

could have gone all like that forever

12:19

I think. My costumes weren't all that,

12:21

not like it, but they didn't have to

12:23

be. You just do your bonzo best.

12:25

But then I went and spoiled it

12:27

all for a stupid joke. I wanted to

12:30

surprise him for a change. Really give him

12:32

a giggle. And I guess maybe I thought I'd

12:34

earned it. I spent ages on the costume,

12:36

made it myself from scratch. Not like

12:38

that cheap kid's rubbish, I wanted it

12:40

to be proper. But it was going

12:42

to be tricky. This time I wanted

12:44

enough to just do it. I needed people

12:47

to see it happen. That way they'd think

12:49

it was him and then I could take the

12:51

mask off and he would realize it was

12:53

me all along. He'd see me. He'd finally see

12:56

me properly and we laugh and laugh and

12:58

laugh. I got it done easy enough.

13:00

Don't really remember much about it

13:02

to be honest. Judge told me I used

13:04

a crowbar and I don't think he'd lie

13:06

about it. Anyway, everyone was screaming

13:08

and running and I could barely start

13:11

for laughing and that was when the

13:13

filth tackled me. I mean what are

13:15

the chances a couple of random coppers

13:17

just happened to be walking by at

13:19

that exact moment. But honestly, if

13:21

anything it just made the whole thing funnier.

13:24

I tried to stand and shake

13:26

him off, but I couldn't stop

13:28

laughing. Besides, a suit was really

13:30

bulky and I couldn't really see

13:32

very well. It was tight though. Tighter than

13:34

it had felt when I put it on.

13:36

I could barely breathe and it was

13:39

slick inside. I must have been sweating

13:41

buckets. Obviously I didn't get to

13:43

see Bonzo at night because I was

13:45

locked up. I asked for a TV, but

13:47

age Tom is sharp. I knew I knew I'd get

13:50

to see him eventually though. After

13:52

all he was Mr. He was

13:54

everywhere! At least he had been. But

13:56

as weeks went by, it was

13:58

like it disappeared. He wasn't on

14:01

the radio anymore, one on TV,

14:03

and they took down his billboards.

14:05

He was like everyone had decided

14:07

to pretend he'd never existed.

14:09

I honestly started to feel

14:11

like I was going crazy. That was why

14:14

I yelled at Mr. Dickerson in the

14:16

trial. I thought if anyone knew where

14:18

he'd gone it would be his best

14:20

mate, but he just got angry and

14:22

said horrible things about me. That

14:24

was when I started to worry. What

14:26

if he hadn't found it funny? I

14:29

wanted to find him, to tell him I was

14:31

sorry, to let him know I would never do anything

14:34

to upset him, but that was when they put me

14:36

here. I tried explaining it to him,

14:38

but every time I did I just ended up

14:40

back in solitary, so eventually I just

14:42

stopped trying. I did get song letters from

14:44

fans at first, but I assumed stopped. I don't

14:47

know, it was weird. I don't think they wanted

14:49

to talk about Mr. Bonzo at all.

14:51

Eventually, I got used to being in here.

14:53

It's not so bad at the end of the end of

14:55

the end of the end of the end of the end of

14:57

the day. didn't have much of a life

14:59

outside anyway. But then the letters started again,

15:01

and this time it went from fans.

15:04

At first I thought it was something from

15:06

the lawyers. Maybe to do with parole, since I

15:08

had my name and a number on the

15:10

envelope, but the paper was yellow with

15:12

orange flex and it had a massive thumb

15:14

print on the corner in purple ink. I

15:16

saw that and I knew what it was, who it

15:18

was from. I was shaking so much I

15:21

couldn't even open it. Just holding it felt

15:23

like, I don't like blast for me,

15:25

but the guards had already opened it,

15:27

so... After a while I just peeled it

15:29

apart and looked inside. It was

15:31

an all-Mr. Bonzo card but I

15:34

couldn't tell what type because everything

15:36

was scratched off the front apart

15:38

from his face which was staring

15:40

up at me. I was so happy

15:43

to see him after all these years

15:45

to finally be seen again but

15:47

his face was wrong. Instead of

15:49

his happy googly eyes, these were

15:51

fixed in place, staring at me

15:53

and he won smiling. He looked

15:55

angry. Cart was warped so it took a

15:57

moment to prize it open but once I

16:00

had, I found a message scored inside

16:02

in childish letters with as much

16:04

purple ink. Just one line. Mr

16:06

Bonzo's on his way. I wanted to

16:08

tell someone, but last time I

16:10

said his name, they put me in

16:12

solitary, so kept quiet, didn't I? The

16:15

next one arrived a few weeks later.

16:17

This one was larger and got a

16:19

bit of attention when it came through.

16:21

Look like it was one of those

16:23

big cards for a big birthday. Look

16:25

on where someone's friends and family

16:27

would be there. I didn't want to

16:30

take it, but they insisted, so I

16:32

carried it back to bed and opened

16:34

it in there alone. Same paper, same

16:36

purple ink on the envelope, even

16:38

more smudge this time, and it was

16:40

difficult to pull the card out as

16:43

it was so bent as if it

16:45

had been wetted then dried. Mr Bonso

16:47

was there again, staring at me through

16:49

the scratches on the cover with those

16:52

fixed angry eyes. Bigger card meant

16:54

I could see all the details, and

16:56

I want just angry. He was furious.

16:58

I was traveling all over when

17:00

I opened the card and found that

17:02

child writing inside. He wants to

17:05

stay. The last one came a few

17:07

days ago. He was enormous. I had

17:09

to sign a special form to get it

17:11

and everything. I felt like I was

17:13

looking at one of those big charity

17:16

checks he used to give out and

17:18

it people over the head with and

17:20

there was so much purple ink that

17:22

it looked like he'd spilled pain.

17:25

and needed help to pull the

17:27

mangle card out and our hands were

17:29

all covered in the ink which was

17:31

somehow still wet. Almost all of

17:34

it was destroyed leaving only those

17:36

eyes and his huge mouth which was

17:38

open, wide, deep. I didn't need to open

17:40

it to know what was written inside

17:42

but the people helping insisted. The

17:45

paper was gouged with the force

17:47

that it had been marked. More

17:49

stabbed than written but I could

17:51

still make out the words. He

17:53

wants to play with you. Since

17:55

then I've been trying to stay

17:57

in solitary as much as possible.

18:00

uh, thicker wall stronger gates, but

18:02

he won't help. I love Mr

18:04

Bonso with all my art, but

18:06

I don't think he likes me

18:09

anymore. Mr Bonso is on his

18:11

way. He wants to stay. He

18:13

wants to play with me. Chair.

18:16

Right. Well, uh, Miss Ross, is

18:18

any of this true? The cards,

18:20

I mean? Ross. I'm not entirely

18:23

sure. I wasn't informed he'd

18:25

receive some strange mail, but

18:27

nothing like that. Stollus.

18:29

Thank you Mr. Menke. That's all

18:31

I needed here. Chair. Right. Well,

18:33

in that case, Stollus. I would like

18:36

to formally recommend Mr.

18:38

Menke for referral to

18:40

the Elric Rehabilitation Initiative

18:42

as soon as possible. Chair. Alan.

18:45

Stollus. He's a perfect candidate, and

18:47

I think we could do a

18:49

lot with him. Beard. I'm sorry,

18:51

but this is completely unacceptable.

18:53

Leahy. The Crown cannot condone

18:55

this. Menke. Ross. Sit down,

18:57

Mr. Menke. Menke. He's on

19:00

his way! Chair. I warned

19:02

you, Mr. Menke. Menke. He

19:04

wants to play with me.

19:06

Chair. Get him out of

19:08

here. Cut sooodge. Watch out,

19:11

he's got... Ross. Mr. Menke,

19:13

what? Transcription ends. Due to

19:15

interruption. I

19:27

mean, the system has, what, two

19:29

or three thousand classifications? Some of

19:32

them must come up more often,

19:34

trapped in some weird, overlooked, legacy

19:37

department. It's funny, I used to

19:39

take comfort in that, knowing that

19:41

we were on our own. But

19:43

it must be patterns? Nope. What?

19:45

No commonalities between cases? I mean,

19:47

the system has, what, two or

19:50

three thousand classifications? Some of them

19:52

must come up more often, I

19:54

guess. Sure, but they're all so

19:57

precise. Have you never tried to

19:59

sort them? into things like

20:01

darkness or disease or being

20:03

buried alive or something. Why

20:06

would I do that?

20:08

Besides, I'd say being

20:10

buried alive is pretty

20:12

bloody specific. Okay, but

20:14

not just literally buried

20:16

alive, metaphorically too. Like

20:19

stuff about being crushed

20:21

in a bite, so

20:23

in debt, maybe. I

20:25

don't know what you

20:27

want for me, Celia.

20:29

I've never noticed anything

20:31

like that. Until recently

20:33

it was just pointless

20:35

acting all the

20:38

way down. Speak

20:40

of the devil?

20:42

What now? Sorry,

20:44

I'm a bit...

20:47

repressed, stressed,

20:49

pull up a pew.

20:52

What? Fun, seat.

20:54

Coffee? No. Thank

20:56

you. happens now this

20:59

is pretty much it

21:02

misery company etc

21:04

right so what is

21:06

wrong it's Lena's handover

21:09

I was able to

21:11

recover some old emails

21:14

but they're not exactly

21:16

helpful no not really

21:19

it's just going on

21:21

and on about how

21:23

important it is to

21:25

balance the books Price

21:27

ever worked here. If he

21:29

did, it was before my time.

21:31

Hang on. Bill Price. And he

21:33

wants to balance the books. That's

21:36

got to be a fake name,

21:38

right? I don't know. There

21:40

was this woman who worked

21:42

at my local Barclays called

21:44

the Law and Money. Either

21:46

way, I don't think they're

21:48

actually talking about budgeting. Gwen.

21:50

Listen. There's absolutely no shame

21:53

in struggling with a new role.

21:55

Exactly. Unless of course you just

21:57

weasel your way into it by

21:59

the train in the one

22:01

person who might actually

22:03

have known what was

22:05

going on, and then

22:07

how slowly going mad

22:09

trapped in your office

22:12

is everything collapses

22:14

around us. In

22:16

that case, there's probably

22:18

quite a lot of shame.

22:20

What? I don't think that

22:23

was helpful. It helped

22:25

me. Oh,

22:49

hi Alice. Sorry. Good. That hurt.

22:51

What are you doing here? I

22:54

haven't seen you in weeks. There's

22:56

been so much going on

22:58

then. And you don't need

23:00

to hear about that right now.

23:02

Have you been? What's with

23:05

all the tech? I was

23:07

going to say shattered effigies

23:09

of 20th century hubris, but

23:11

sure, let's go with tech.

23:13

Yeah, it is a bit

23:15

out of date, isn't it?

23:17

You look like you're scrapping

23:19

my primary school's computer room.

23:22

It's just a new job,

23:24

you know. You found something

23:26

then? Oh, yeah. Anything exciting?

23:28

It's fine. Lots of fetching

23:30

and carrying with a bit

23:32

of textbook, but it pays all

23:35

right. How's stuff back at

23:37

the old halls? Honestly, pretty

23:39

bad. You got out at the

23:41

right time. And you guys still

23:43

holding up? He moved on. He

23:45

moved on. That's a shame. I

23:47

kind of liked him.

23:49

Well listen, I should

23:52

probably get going. Don't

23:54

want to keep people

23:56

waiting on their equipment.

23:59

No, yeah. Of course. Look

24:01

at yourself, Teddy.

24:04

You too. Sure. I'm

24:06

sorry. I'm on my

24:08

way, okay? It

24:10

won't happen again.

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