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is the true crime

2:47

story that sounds like

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it was written for

2:51

the show Unsolved Mysteries.

2:53

It's a mystery that

2:55

is true and truly

2:57

stranger than fiction. Back

2:59

in 1993 in Amarillo,

3:01

Texas, everyone was looking

3:03

for the missing lawyer.

3:06

In fact, One of

3:08

the first headlines reporting

3:10

this story was titled

3:12

Unsolved Mysteries. The Abilene

3:14

Reporter News said baffling

3:16

trail frustrates search for

3:18

missing attorney. The article

3:20

reads in part. He

3:22

was a small town

3:24

quarterback, a graduate of

3:26

Texas Tech University, and

3:28

a former judge. Friends

3:30

described David Lewis. as

3:33

the ultimate nice guy

3:35

and family man. But

3:37

the 39-year-old attorney vanished

3:39

Super Bowl weekend amid

3:41

a baffling trail of

3:43

clues. Quote, I change

3:45

my mind a lot

3:47

on this, said police

3:49

detective James Smith, saying,

3:51

I wake up at

3:53

two in the morning

3:55

thinking Whatever happened to

3:57

David Lewis. Smith worked

4:00

full-time on the case

4:02

in the months following

4:04

Karen Lewis reporting her

4:06

husband missing. In Amarillo,

4:08

they were looking for

4:10

a missing man. 1600

4:12

miles away in Moxie

4:14

Washington, police were working

4:16

to identify a hit-and-run

4:18

fatality victim. It would

4:20

take over 10 years

4:22

to connect the two

4:24

cases. This is true

4:27

crime garage. Today

4:51

we have a baffling true crime

4:53

story on tap. This is one

4:55

that is sure to leave you

4:58

scratching your head. You will want

5:00

to go digging after these episodes

5:02

to see what you can find

5:04

and I hope that you do.

5:06

But I think most will agree

5:08

that this baffling story filled with

5:10

mystery and question marks that will

5:12

only leave you with more and

5:15

more questions. To start this story

5:17

off we need to give a

5:19

big shout out to two. Mystery

5:21

Solving Partners. And I would say

5:24

mystery uncovering partners. First up we

5:26

have the Seattle Post Intelligencer. A

5:28

fine newspaper in the great state

5:30

of Washington. Today people typically say

5:33

Seattle PI. And a newspaper reading

5:35

detective, this is Washington State Patrol

5:37

Investigator Pat Ditter. Ditter as one

5:39

online report puts it. At the

5:42

time, he was a 13-year veteran

5:44

with a reputation for tenacity and

5:46

attention to detail. His boss is

5:49

Detective Sergeant Ken Harkham

5:51

of the Washington

5:53

State Patrol's Yakima

5:55

office, referred to

5:58

Pat Ditter as

6:00

smart and very

6:02

computer savvy. All

6:04

of this is

6:07

going to play

6:09

a big role

6:11

in uncovering a

6:13

portion of this week's

6:15

mystery. So how did

6:17

the detective in a newspaper team up

6:20

to solve a mystery? Simple, Detective

6:22

Ditter was inspired by

6:24

a 2003 Seattle

6:27

Post -Intelligencer series

6:29

that critiqued law

6:31

enforcement's handling of missing

6:33

persons cases, specifically

6:36

problems involved in investigating

6:38

long -term missing person

6:40

cases in the

6:42

greater Seattle area. One

6:45

of the problems that

6:47

was cited by the Seattle

6:49

PI was simply that these cases,

6:51

especially in a big city

6:53

that catches a lot of cases,

6:55

not just missing persons, but

6:58

all kinds of cases, robbery, homicide,

7:00

drug -related offenses, missing

7:02

persons cases, specifically missing

7:04

adult cases and

7:06

unidentified remain cases were

7:08

low priority for

7:10

some agencies with heavy

7:12

caseloads. Another problem for

7:15

these cases at the time was

7:17

simply that law enforcement databases

7:20

of such cases did not communicate,

7:23

making for fewer matches

7:25

between missing persons and

7:27

unidentified decedents. There

7:29

was little cross -referencing and

7:33

the other bigger problem

7:35

was connecting missings from

7:37

other jurisdictions, especially

7:40

when you go outside of

7:42

state lines connecting a missing person

7:44

to an unidentified set of

7:46

remains. So at the

7:48

time, even at 2003, the

7:52

success rate was quite low. And

7:54

thankfully, we have grown from this,

7:56

evolved from this and we've

7:59

made great efforts efforts in the

8:01

last two decades to

8:03

bring more answers and

8:05

give more people their

8:07

names and find more

8:09

missing people. The

8:12

series of articles run by

8:14

the Seattle PI, the

8:17

detective, followed the series, and

8:19

the portion that really hit

8:21

home for him was focused

8:23

on the unreliability of NCIC,

8:25

the National Crime Information Center.

8:27

He was concerned about the

8:29

unreliability of getting computer hits

8:31

within this specific database. So

8:33

he got to thinking if

8:36

it can be wrong there,

8:38

meaning Seattle, it can be

8:40

wrong here. So time for

8:42

a little outside of the

8:44

box thinking. They had an

8:46

unidentified from their jurisdiction that

8:48

was on his mind. This

8:50

is an unidentified adult male

8:52

who died 10 years prior

8:54

to dinner reading these articles,

8:56

but no one knew who

8:58

this guy was. So they

9:01

named him Moxie John Doe

9:03

until they could give this

9:05

person his name back. This

9:07

would be his temporary name.

9:09

He was named after the

9:11

town where he was found

9:13

Moxie and anonymous as a

9:15

John Doe. It's really sad,

9:17

quite sad. Even more so

9:19

when you really dig into

9:21

it. I know for a

9:24

lot of you listening out

9:26

there that there is a

9:28

missing person's case that is

9:30

on your mind. Maybe it's

9:32

somebody from your area. Maybe

9:34

it's somebody that you read

9:36

about online and have followed

9:38

their case since maybe you

9:40

heard about their story here

9:42

on True Crime Garage and

9:44

you just can't shake it.

9:46

It's on your back all

9:49

the time. You're thinking about

9:51

it and you hope that

9:53

someday they find this individual.

9:55

Well, there is a probability

9:57

that states and says. statistically

10:00

anyway, that that missing person could

10:02

be simply an unidentified remains case

10:04

from another jurisdiction, especially if we're

10:07

talking about something very far away

10:09

in distance. I know for somebody

10:11

like the captain, one of his

10:14

passion cases is the Brian Schaefer

10:16

case, 27 years old, born in

10:18

Pickerington, Ohio, went missing from right

10:20

here in Columbus, way back in

10:23

2006. He's not been seen ever

10:25

since. revisited the case multiple times

10:27

on off the record. And in

10:29

this John Doe case, he's found

10:32

with no identification on him and

10:34

he's found dressed in army fatigues.

10:36

Yes, so there are many people

10:39

out there, not just listeners or

10:41

not just people who read or

10:43

follow true crime with these cases

10:45

on their brain, but the sad

10:48

part of it is think about

10:50

Brian Schaefer, he's got a brother.

10:52

You think of like the Asia

10:54

degree case from... North Carolina missing

10:57

since 2000. She's got a mother,

10:59

a father, and a brother. All

11:01

these people wondering whatever happened to

11:04

their loved one. Where could they

11:06

be? Hoping and praying that they're

11:08

all right, that they're safe, and

11:10

that maybe someday they come home.

11:13

And then as the captain pointed

11:15

out, we have this mox, this

11:17

moxie John Doe, who the detective

11:19

always wanted to put a name

11:22

to this guy. So the story

11:24

that the Washington State Patrol had

11:26

on Moxie John Doe is as

11:29

follows on the night of February

11:31

1st 1993 we have several persons

11:33

driving on state route 24. This

11:35

is east of Yakima Washington. A

11:38

lot of times this is reported

11:40

this situation that we're about to

11:42

go through this incident is reported

11:44

as occurring in Yakima but it's

11:47

actually in Moxie in the town

11:49

of Moxie in the town of

11:51

Moxie. which is nearby. So this

11:54

adult male is seen wandering on

11:56

the high highway near

11:58

Revard Road in

12:00

the town of

12:03

Moxie. One of the

12:05

drivers on the state route

12:07

says that he turned around.

12:09

After seeing this man, again,

12:12

air quotes wandering, and I want to get

12:14

into that in a bit, wandering on the road.

12:18

This is dangerous. This is a state route.

12:20

These are high speeds. This

12:22

is at night time. Vision

12:24

can be impaired. He was

12:26

concerned that someone is going to hit this,

12:28

a vehicle is going to hit this guy.

12:30

I don't know if anybody out there listening

12:32

has been in this situation. I

12:35

can think of twice in my

12:37

lifetime where I've called highway patrol

12:39

or police because there is an

12:41

incredibly dangerous situation with a child

12:43

or a youngster that is in

12:45

the middle of a road. This

12:48

individual decided to turn

12:50

around because he wanted to warn,

12:52

be able to try to warn the passing

12:54

cars like, hey, there's a guy up here, don't

12:58

hit him, or maybe even stop

13:00

and talk to the person, offer them a

13:02

ride, ask him if they need help, hey,

13:04

buddy, get out of the road. Yeah,

13:07

it's an abnormal situation. Even

13:09

when you're just heading down

13:11

the freeway and you see somebody walking

13:13

on the side of the road, that's

13:16

abnormal. He turns around

13:18

this motorist by the

13:20

time he can return to the spot

13:22

where he saw the guy walking. He

13:25

found that the man had been struck by another

13:27

vehicle. Whatever vehicle hit

13:29

this guy was not

13:31

present, didn't stop, kept going.

13:34

He didn't see the vehicle. This

13:36

man was quickly pronounced

13:38

dead. And as the

13:40

captain pointed out, there was no

13:43

identification. In fact, if had there been

13:45

identification on this man, we wouldn't be

13:47

sitting here telling the story. Very

13:49

likely that we wouldn't tell this. Case.

13:51

Yeah. Well, it

13:53

gets difficult, right? Because there's a whole

13:56

lot of mystery here. This is the first

13:58

part of it. So there's no identification. on

14:00

this person and then they have

14:02

no missing person reports anywhere even

14:04

somewhat local that match up with

14:07

this man that they find in

14:09

the road. I do want to

14:12

before we get too far down

14:14

the road I do want to

14:16

point out a few things and

14:19

Captain I'm sure you you share

14:21

this thought with me because one

14:23

thing that was a headscratcher for

14:26

me and I think this could

14:28

play a key into people's thoughts

14:30

and theories and speculation about the

14:33

case when we get to the

14:35

appropriate time for that. But some

14:38

of the reports that I've read

14:40

over the last couple of months

14:42

read differently. Some say that this

14:45

guy was walking in the middle

14:47

and down the center of state

14:49

route 24. A couple of the

14:52

reports I read say that he

14:54

was running. There are some reports

14:56

that say that he may have

14:59

been crossing the road. It seems

15:01

to me like the majority of

15:04

the reports state that he was

15:06

quote wandering down the middle of

15:08

state route 24. We know with

15:11

cases a lot of eyewitnesses they're

15:13

just wrong but you can't blame

15:15

them in this situation because like

15:18

you said many eyewitnesses that probably

15:20

came forward afterwards are seeing this

15:22

individual and passing them as they're

15:25

driving pretty quickly on the freeway.

15:27

Well, and I think that that's,

15:29

I'm not calling out any of

15:32

the potential eyewitnesses or especially the

15:34

man that turned around to try

15:37

to help prevent this from happening.

15:39

What I'm pointing out is that

15:41

it's simply reported differently and that

15:44

may be due to the person

15:46

that penned the article. or typed

15:48

up the article online, or it

15:51

could be that there is varying

15:53

degrees. And as you point out

15:55

very correctly, that you're only seeing

15:58

this guy very brief. So maybe

16:00

it's not, it doesn't set up for

16:02

a good situation to describe

16:05

what it is, what actions

16:07

you think that this unknown

16:09

was doing prior to being

16:11

struck by a vehicle. Now,

16:13

of course, it was determined

16:15

that the cause of death,

16:17

unfortunately, was injuries from being

16:20

struck by a vehicle.

16:22

The decedent was wearing

16:24

military style camouflage fatigues

16:26

and work boots. Okay, so

16:28

here we have our first mystery

16:30

in what will be a long

16:33

laundry list of mysteries Who

16:35

is this dead man? The second is

16:37

this was a hit and

16:39

run on a state route

16:41

But neither the vehicle nor

16:44

the driver have been identified

16:46

So it would be impossible

16:48

in 1993 for the police

16:50

to determine Was this a

16:52

horrible accident? This poor man

16:54

was hit and killed and the

16:56

driver panicked and just fled? Or

16:59

did the driver intentionally run this

17:01

man over? If so, that's a

17:03

homicide and intentional murder. One, how

17:06

did this individual kit to this

17:08

part of town? Yeah, so when you

17:10

are at this scene, you're responding to

17:13

the scene, the first thing you are

17:15

looking for is identification. You're checking the

17:17

guy, checking the fatigues for a wallet,

17:19

hoping to find a state ID, a

17:22

driver's license. a paycheck, anything in

17:24

there that may have a name on

17:26

it or an address, that is not

17:28

found on your John Doe. And then

17:30

from there, immediately when you don't find

17:33

that, you go, okay, well, what's he

17:35

doing on a state route? First off,

17:37

we need to point out that Yakima

17:39

and Moxie, as far as the great

17:42

state of Washington goes, this

17:44

is kind of out in the middle

17:46

of nowhere. So now you're hoping, well...

17:48

he had to get here somehow i'm

17:50

he could have got here by foot

17:53

but might not one would think

17:55

the most likely scenario would

17:57

be that his car broke down

17:59

some He had car trouble somewhere

18:01

and he was walking, maybe

18:03

going to get gas or maybe going

18:06

to look for a pay phone or

18:08

walk to a gas station to try

18:10

to call a tow truck or get

18:12

some help or whatever. They don't find

18:14

any kind of abandoned vehicle

18:16

or broken down vehicle

18:18

near where they find this man either.

18:20

And nothing to suggest how he got

18:23

to where he was other than the

18:25

boots that he was founded. reason

18:27

why I point out that there were

18:30

different reports of was he running

18:32

was he walking if he's

18:34

running you wonder if something else

18:36

is going on was there

18:38

a car intentionally chasing him

18:40

down was he fleeing from something

18:43

but again with no identification

18:45

no no car belonging to

18:47

him found nearby these are all

18:50

questions that the state patrol

18:52

are simply not going to be

18:54

able to be able to answer

18:56

at that time. That was 1993

18:58

when Moxie John Doe was

19:01

killed on Washington State Route

19:03

24. Our newspaper reading detective

19:06

read the news articles that

19:08

we previously discussed in 2003.

19:11

Moxie John Doe was

19:13

still unidentified. Ten years. Now

19:15

any good gum shoe will tell

19:17

you that most often cases are

19:19

solved with hard shoe leather in

19:22

a tough soul. The detective

19:24

Pat Ditter decided to

19:26

hit the pavement of the

19:28

information superhighway, the internet. The

19:31

Google Online search engine was

19:33

very popular at the time. So

19:35

he thought about doing an

19:37

extensive search on Google. He typed

19:40

in details about Moxie John

19:42

Doe, like height, weight, information

19:44

that he knew about his

19:46

unidentified, that led him

19:49

to several missing persons.

19:51

websites and databases that

19:53

were online. One included a

19:55

picture of a man named

19:58

David Glenn Lewis. So,

20:00

this was on a site that

20:02

was posted by the DOE network.

20:05

He found some information on

20:07

the Texas Department of

20:09

Public Safety Missing Persons Clearing

20:11

House database as well. And

20:13

as the Seattle PI newspaper

20:15

put it, after

20:17

a week, Detective

20:20

Ditter had done what expensive

20:22

law enforcement databases were unable

20:24

to find for 10 years

20:26

by this point. This

20:28

guy is now armed

20:31

with a list of

20:33

possible matches of persons

20:35

who could possibly be

20:37

his moxie John Doe.

20:40

So now he's focusing in

20:42

on these different persons that

20:44

he's pulled up that for

20:46

one reason or another, they

20:48

are matching up with his

20:50

description of the John Doe that they

20:52

have from their jurisdiction. The

20:54

one that he really hones

20:56

in on is this David

20:58

Glenn Lewis, amongst others. This one

21:00

seems to stand out to

21:03

Ditter for one reason

21:05

or another. But we should

21:07

say this David Glenn

21:09

Lewis is not from

21:11

the area, not

21:13

even close, right? And

21:15

I think that, you know, the

21:17

detective has to be thinking along

21:19

those lines. That's what's why

21:21

he's searching Google to begin with.

21:23

He he knows the probability

21:25

of our John Doe being from

21:27

the area slim to none because we

21:29

would have we would have identified this

21:31

guy by now. But as you're pointing

21:33

out that he's focusing in on this

21:36

missing man from Texas, David Glenn Lewis,

21:38

who is he finds to be very

21:40

close in height to moxie John

21:42

Doe. And he's listed as

21:44

practically the same weight. Oddly

21:46

enough, he is reported missing roughly

21:48

only 24 hours

21:50

or so before moxie

21:52

John Doe is hit by a vehicle on

21:55

State Route 24. We should

21:57

note here that a lot of reports about

21:59

the hit and run. reference a Chevy

22:01

Camaro either spotted in the area.

22:03

Some reports say seen leaving

22:05

the location where the John Doe

22:07

was hit. So maybe it's

22:09

a Camaro that's responsible for hitting

22:11

this individual or maybe it

22:13

was just simply a car that

22:15

was driving the state route

22:17

at the same time. We've

22:20

never had anybody in a

22:22

Camaro come forward with additional

22:24

information or saying that they've

22:26

seen anything to add to

22:28

the story of this John

22:30

Doe on the highway. So

22:32

let's circle back here because

22:34

we said Texas. So let's

22:36

circle to the Texas connection.

22:38

If this John Doe is

22:40

David Glenn Lewis, how did

22:42

this guy, this unidentified person,

22:44

if it is him, how

22:46

did he get? How did

22:48

this dude get from his

22:50

home near Amarillo, Texas to

22:52

Moxie, Washington in the course

22:54

of about one day? All

23:25

right, we are back. Buckle

23:27

up buttercups. It's about to

23:29

be a bumpy ride. Cheers to

23:31

you, Colonel. Cheers to you,

23:33

Captain. Cheers to all the

23:35

people in the back, especially

23:38

those with the balcony seats. Yeah,

23:40

cheers to you. Paid extra.

23:43

2025 with the addition

23:45

of a balcony

23:47

in the true crime

23:49

scary garage. Moxie,

23:52

Washington and Amarillo, Texas.

23:54

So as the

23:56

crow flies, Captain, it's

23:58

1 ,240 miles. from

24:00

Amarillo to Moxie, driving

24:03

northwest. But that says

24:05

the crow flies. It's 1

24:07

,620 miles by

24:09

car following

24:11

Interstate 84 following that route.

24:13

So if he got

24:15

there via vehicle, it takes

24:17

a lot longer obviously,

24:20

not just because it's flight versus

24:22

vehicle, but also the miles

24:24

that are involved. Driving from

24:26

Amarillo to Moxie, the

24:28

routes I found is like 23

24:31

hours 40 minutes, 23 hours

24:33

45 minutes somewhere in

24:35

the in that ballpark, roughly

24:37

let's say 23 to

24:40

24 hours apart. And that

24:42

we should know would be

24:44

a nonstop drive. Driving

24:46

that amount of distance, you're stopping for

24:48

gas. And unless

24:50

you have a what

24:53

do they call it a truck buddy in

24:55

the back of your car, you're stopping to

24:57

to urinate as well. Not me,

24:59

my friend, I just pee my pants. And

25:01

if peeing your pants is cool, then call

25:03

me Miles Davis flying. I

25:06

couldn't find any nonstop flights

25:08

from there is a airport

25:11

in Amarillo. I couldn't find any

25:13

nonstop flights from Amarillo to

25:16

Seattle, which would be I would

25:18

argue is probably the closest

25:20

commercial airport. So the fastest

25:22

fly time today 30 years later

25:24

is six hours, because you you

25:26

do have to make a stop. And

25:29

the same is true if you were

25:31

to go from Amarillo to Portland, Oregon,

25:33

which is these

25:35

are the two largest cities

25:37

nearby where we have

25:39

commercial airports with

25:41

commercial airliners. We should

25:44

also note that there is a

25:46

time difference though to one thing

25:48

that aggravates me when we talk

25:50

about some of these cases that

25:52

span across multiple time zones is

25:54

let's say for instance, that they in

25:56

a particular case that they say, oh, it

25:58

was 24 hours between between the

26:00

time this event happened

26:02

in Texas and this

26:04

event happened in Washington.

26:07

Well, was it 24

26:09

hours factoring in the

26:11

time difference or not? We

26:13

don't get those specifics

26:15

and we are handicapped

26:17

by a lot of times

26:19

word of mouth and

26:21

reports that are out

26:23

there. So it is

26:26

a two hour difference

26:28

going from Texas out

26:30

west to where this John

26:32

Doe was eventually found

26:34

in Moxie. Now from

26:36

the Seattle PI newspaper,

26:38

Ditter noticed that the

26:40

he noticed a resemblance,

26:42

right? We already talked about

26:44

height and weight, but

26:46

there's also a resemblance

26:48

with the face of

26:51

the corpse and the

26:53

photos that they had

26:55

in their police file from

26:57

the Yakima area collision

26:59

scene from 1993. But

27:01

he says, you know,

27:03

one thing when he

27:05

pulled up David Lewis's profile

27:07

and found him online

27:10

was that Lewis was

27:12

wearing very distinctive glasses.

27:14

Anybody that's ever looked at

27:16

this case or people

27:18

out there right now,

27:20

they're pumping into the

27:22

search engine, this guy's

27:24

name. The first thing

27:26

that you will notice that

27:29

pops up is a

27:31

picture of David Lewis

27:33

smiling and he is

27:35

wearing very large glasses.

27:37

Would you say there

27:39

are dumber esque glasses? I

27:41

don't think that was

27:43

the look he was

27:45

going for. But yes,

27:47

I would put them

27:49

in the for those

27:51

that they can't look him

27:54

up at the moment.

27:56

They're yeah, they're large

27:58

glasses that might not

28:00

be the look he

28:02

was going for, but it's

28:04

the look that he

28:06

gave us. And look,

28:08

I hate to say

28:10

this, but it was hard

28:13

for me to see

28:15

past those glasses. The

28:17

first few times I

28:19

looked at pictures of

28:21

David. And that's just

28:23

a perception thing. But so

28:25

the detective noticed the

28:27

same thing, the distinctive

28:29

glasses, eyeglasses, did are

28:31

consulted with an evidence

28:33

list of items recovered

28:36

from the collision scene. I

28:38

got were among them. So in his

28:40

photos of the decedent he doesn't have a

28:42

man a John Doe wearing eyeglasses. So he goes

28:44

to the evidence list and he goes boom

28:46

I hit on something. We did find glasses

28:48

with our John Doe. The eyeglasses were on the

28:50

inventory sheet and I guess from my understanding

28:52

the glasses were found in one of the

28:54

pockets in the clothing that the John Doe was

28:57

wearing. So when he looks at these glasses,

28:59

he goes, not only does this guy look like

29:01

my John Doe, the eyeglasses that he's wearing look

29:03

like the glasses that we found with the

29:05

John Doe. And they're distinctive. Yeah, bingo bongo.

29:07

Got the right guy. So dinner retrieves the clothing

29:09

that the dead man was wearing, the camouflage

29:11

military style clothing and the work boots. He

29:13

searches them and of course we have glasses at

29:16

work. that were found amongst these idols. He

29:18

says his words, well, Harkham, his boss's words,

29:20

say that the eyeglasses were identical to the ones

29:22

worn by David Lewis in the missing person's

29:24

photos. The detective thought, wow, is it a

29:26

coincidence? We got to figure this thing out, because

29:28

again, keep in mind, the distance. Yeah. Ditter

29:30

learned that Lewis was 39 years old when

29:32

he disappeared 1600 600 miles away in Amorello, Texas.

29:34

And that his wife, Karen, reported him missing

29:36

a day after he failed to come home.

29:38

The same day, roughly, that, we were not roughly,

29:41

the same day that John Doe was found

29:43

near Moxie, east of Yakima. Yeah, I mean,

29:45

let's just ponder this for a little bit. You're

29:47

sitting there, you're in Washington, you got a

29:49

missing person, they've been missing for, what do you

29:51

say, 10 years? Well, I think it could be

29:53

this guy, you go to your boss. I

29:56

think it could be this guy because this

29:58

guy has some weird looking glass. And

30:00

guess what we discovered

30:02

with our John Doe, these

30:04

weird glasses, the glasses match.

30:07

And then your boss

30:09

says to you, you're the chief

30:11

says, all right, well, where's he

30:13

from? Texas. He

30:15

probably said, yeah, right. The chances

30:18

of this being the same guy

30:20

are slim to none. Well,

30:22

and I think what

30:24

really underlines that thought is

30:26

the short amount of time that between

30:30

him being reported missing and him

30:32

being found dead. I don't think

30:34

it's so much the distance because

30:36

having him unidentified for 10 years,

30:38

you go, well, all right, let's

30:40

dig into this. And we have

30:42

reported on several cases, right, where

30:44

somebody is reported missing by family,

30:46

friends, people that had nothing to

30:48

do with their demise, where they're

30:50

not reported missing for three days,

30:52

for six days, seven days. I

30:54

think we had one case where

30:56

it was like two weeks. So

30:58

sometimes people are slow to report

31:00

because they're just not aware that

31:03

the person is missing. But

31:06

here you go, OK, well,

31:08

he was reported missing about the same

31:10

days that we find him dead. OK,

31:13

well, maybe it just went unnoticed

31:15

for several days. Nope. When you

31:17

start going through the details of

31:19

this, there is a short amount

31:21

of time between he is last

31:23

seen alive or believed to be

31:25

last seen alive in Amarillo, Texas,

31:27

to the time that he ends

31:29

up in the middle of State

31:31

Route 24 in Moxie, Washington.

31:33

Yeah, being hit by a car. We'll

31:35

go through this in short and

31:37

then get into some of the detailed

31:39

information. So the short of it

31:41

is David Lewis's wife

31:43

left on January 28th

31:45

for a shopping trip to

31:48

Dallas. So for

31:50

our international listeners, Texas

31:52

is a gigantic state. It

31:55

is absolutely huge. That's what

31:57

she said. Amarillo, Texas and

31:59

Dallas. Texas, they aren't anywhere close

32:01

to each other at all. I

32:06

believe it's more than

32:08

five hours driving distance between

32:10

the two. They live

32:12

in Amarillo, she goes for

32:14

this shopping trip in

32:16

Dallas and she takes the

32:18

couple's daughter with them.

32:20

She returns on January 31st,

32:22

three days later, when

32:24

she returns her husband, David

32:26

Lewis, was gone. According

32:28

to reports, the last time

32:30

anyone had seen David

32:32

Lewis alive was at or

32:34

near his home the

32:36

day prior, January 30th, 1993.

32:38

So just to break

32:40

this down real quick, the

32:42

short of it is

32:44

wife and daughter leave on

32:46

the 28th to go

32:48

shopping. The last that David

32:50

is seen alive in

32:52

Amarillo, Texas is January 30th,

32:54

two days later. Wife

32:56

and daughter return the next

32:58

day on the 31st,

33:00

husband and father David Lewis

33:02

is gone, he's missing.

33:04

They report him missing February

33:06

1st. February 1st, Moxie

33:08

John Doe is found dead

33:10

on state route 24

33:12

in Washington state. A whole

33:14

lot of stuff going

33:16

on very quickly. David Glenn

33:18

Lewis' disappearance, to me,

33:20

Captain, is equally

33:22

or really, I believe, even

33:25

more puzzling than his death.

33:27

I would say they're equally

33:29

as puzzling and I'm sorry

33:31

if I keep on laughing,

33:33

but it's this case is

33:36

just so bizarre. It's a

33:38

case that when you try

33:40

to apply reason and logic

33:42

to it, it unravels very

33:44

quickly. And so

33:46

I think that there is a

33:49

natural reaction to, I

33:51

think that your laugh is maybe

33:53

indicative of some anxiety or a

33:55

touch of anxiety about the mystery

33:57

of this case and what could

34:00

have happened to this guy in

34:02

such a short period of time.

34:04

And we're just touching on

34:06

it. So now I want to point out here, Reddit

34:09

can be a great source

34:11

at times for these true crime

34:13

cases. I know

34:15

a lot of people like to go there and

34:17

look at true crime cases there. Mind

34:20

you, just like tuning into

34:22

true crime garage, you are

34:24

handicapped by the

34:26

persons delivering the information to

34:28

you. So you

34:30

can't take it with Reddit,

34:32

with individuals posting things, you

34:35

can't take it as

34:37

fact or as absolute truth. Just

34:40

know that I personally believe that

34:42

the majority of people posting things

34:44

are attempting to post the truth.

34:46

But what I find Reddit

34:49

to be far greater for

34:51

is for speculation about these unsolved

34:53

cases. It's a speculation machine. It

34:55

is. And in regarding this

34:57

case, there is a fountain of

34:59

speculation about this case on

35:01

Reddit. And for most of what

35:03

I have read, now, this

35:05

is just what I've read. There's

35:07

a lot to consume and

35:09

a lot to go through on

35:11

Reddit regarding David Glenn Lewis.

35:13

But the the posts that I

35:16

were reading, I found to

35:18

be some pretty interesting and

35:20

quite smart speculation. So

35:22

facts a little different there,

35:24

speculation, often great. So

35:27

what I wanted to do here, captain,

35:29

I thought this I wanted to go

35:31

through a couple of exercises with this

35:33

case. The first being I

35:35

have squared up a news

35:37

article versus what I think

35:39

is probably the best

35:41

post about this case on

35:44

Reddit would compare the two. And

35:46

the reason why I wanted

35:48

to compare the two is the

35:50

news article is from its

35:52

local, right? Okay, so

35:54

it's local to where

35:56

David Glenn Lewis went missing from where he

35:58

and his wife and daughter. lived. And I

36:00

want to make another thing clear.

36:02

The news article is from when he

36:04

was still missing or unidentified, however

36:07

you want to look at it. They've

36:09

not connected Lewis to the Moxie

36:11

John Doe at this time. The news

36:13

article is from August 19, 1993.

36:16

So 10 years before they

36:18

identify him, just a little

36:20

more than six months after

36:22

he vanished from Amarillo, Texas.

36:24

Let's square that up to

36:26

a Reddit post that is

36:28

filled with great detail from

36:30

a poster who uses the

36:32

handle Honey Bertram, who posted

36:34

extensively and quite thoroughly about

36:36

the David Lewis case. So

36:39

I have cherry picked from

36:41

their timeline so we can

36:44

compare the 1993 article to

36:46

a post from 2022. The

36:48

news article was run by

36:50

the AP and I found

36:52

it in the Tyler Courier

36:54

Times out of Texas. The

36:56

headline reads, Baffling Trail Stumps

36:58

Amarillo Detectives. Police have exhausted

37:00

all leads in their search

37:02

for missing attorney. It does

37:04

give us a little bit

37:06

of background here. So the

37:08

first part gives us some

37:11

good background about David Lewis.

37:13

It reads, he was a

37:15

small town quarterback, Magna

37:17

Cum Laude graduate of Texas

37:19

Tech University and a former

37:22

judge. Okay, so he's an

37:24

athletic guy, he's a smart

37:26

guy, far smarter than yours truly.

37:28

I won't say anything bad

37:30

about the captain. Friends describe

37:32

David Lewis as the captain

37:34

is a dumbass. Well, I

37:36

don't know about that, but I

37:38

mean to graduate, Magna Cum

37:40

Laude from Texas Tech from

37:42

Texas I ain't no judge. Friends

37:45

describe David Lewis as the

37:47

ultimate nice guy and a

37:49

family man. But the 39 year

37:51

old attorney vanished Super Bowl

37:53

weekend amid a baffling trail

37:55

of clues. Relatives insist he wouldn't

37:57

just up and leave. Police

38:00

say they're stumped by conflicting

38:02

signs. Lewis was abducted, killed himself,

38:04

or simply walked away from

38:06

his high -profile civic and professional

38:08

life. I do want to

38:10

quote one of the detectives here,

38:12

as did the newspaper. It

38:15

says, quote, I changed my

38:17

mind a lot on this. This

38:19

is from Detective James Smith.

38:21

He says, I wake up

38:23

at two in the morning thinking,

38:25

whatever happened to David Lewis?

38:27

Smith was working full -time on

38:30

the case since Karen Lewis,

38:32

that's the wife, reported her

38:34

husband missing February 1st. Months of

38:36

investigative legwork has yielded few

38:38

tips and no leads is

38:40

what he tells the newspaper. Now,

38:42

this is what the police

38:45

know at the time, right?

38:47

Months into the disappearance. Lewis left

38:49

the law firm where he

38:51

worked. This is Buckner, Laura,

38:53

and Swindler. Sorry,

38:57

an attorney. Or a great

38:59

name. Buckner, Laura, and Swindle law

39:01

firm at about noon on

39:03

January 28th. This is a Thursday.

39:05

So David Lewis tells his

39:07

coworkers around noon that he's not

39:09

feeling well. I'm not feeling

39:11

well. I'm going to go home.

39:13

Now, his credit card statements

39:15

list that he purchased gasoline using

39:17

credit card that same afternoon.

39:19

That same day, Mrs. Lewis and

39:21

10 -year -old daughter, their 10 -year

39:23

-old daughter left for a weekend

39:25

shopping trip in Dallas. So

39:27

wife and daughter are going off

39:30

to Dallas. They left fairly

39:32

early in the morning. And from

39:34

my understanding here, Captain, David

39:36

Lewis is getting ready for the

39:38

day or left early for

39:40

work that day. He didn't see

39:42

them off. But we know

39:44

he was at his job that

39:46

day up until noon. And

39:48

we know that that same afternoon,

39:50

even though he wasn't feeling

39:52

well, he stopped and purchased gasoline

39:54

with his credit card. David

39:56

Lewis is a very busy man.

39:58

He also teaches a good

40:00

government class at Amarillo College.

40:03

Even though he wasn't feeling well, he

40:05

showed up to teach that class. The

40:08

information I have here, captain,

40:10

states that that class

40:12

lasted till 10 p .m.

40:14

on January 28th. So

40:16

other than him not feeling well and

40:19

leaving early from work, it seems

40:21

everything is as it

40:23

should be up till at least

40:25

10 p .m. on the night

40:27

of the 28th. Right.

40:30

The Reddit poster

40:32

lists this. On January 28th,

40:34

1993, David's wife and daughter

40:36

leave their home in Amarillo, Texas

40:38

and head to Dallas, Texas.

40:40

David is at work at his

40:42

law firm, Buckner, Lore and

40:44

Swindler. Swindler, sorry, Swindell. You're fucking

40:46

stupid. He tells his coworkers

40:49

he's not feeling well. He's heading

40:51

home. That afternoon he purchases

40:53

gas on his credit card and teaches a

40:55

government class at Amarillo College. This class ends

40:57

at 10 p .m. That all lines up

40:59

the next day. So now we're

41:01

at the 29th, Friday, January

41:03

29th. A church friend

41:05

from Dumas says, which

41:08

is nearby Amarillo,

41:10

Texas, said she

41:12

saw David Lewis

41:14

rushing through the

41:16

Southwest Airlines terminal at

41:19

Amarillo's airport. She

41:21

says he's

41:24

not carrying luggage and

41:27

a police officer says that

41:29

on this day, they noticed

41:31

a Red Ford Explorer parked

41:33

at 10, 30 p .m. outside of

41:35

the Potter County Courts building.

41:37

Okay, so a couple of things

41:40

here. This woman says that

41:42

she sees David or somebody that

41:44

she believes to be David

41:46

rushing through the airport at the

41:48

Amarillo airport. No luck.

41:50

Specifically the Southwest

41:52

Airlines terminal, which is

41:55

probably the major airline, I

41:57

would guess, in Texas. I believe

41:59

they start. in Texas. And

42:01

his vehicle, his Red Ford

42:03

Explorer, or a Red Ford

42:05

Explorer, may not be his,

42:07

is spotted this same day

42:09

at 1030 p.m. by a

42:11

police officer. Now here's one

42:13

thing that I would note

42:16

here, and I don't know

42:18

this to be true. I'm

42:20

going to make an assumption

42:22

here. My guess is that

42:24

time of day at 5

42:26

o'clock. A police officer noticing

42:28

a vehicle parked outside of

42:30

the county courts building that

42:32

may have to do with

42:35

somebody may have had to

42:37

pay for parking right and

42:39

didn't or it or a

42:41

meter had expired or it

42:43

was the only car in

42:45

the lot there's a reason

42:47

here why this officer noticed

42:49

this specific red Ford Explorer

42:52

now what is missing from

42:54

this newspaper report and also

42:56

the post the credit poster

42:58

is We don't have confirmation

43:00

that the officer wrote down

43:02

the license plate to confirm

43:04

that it is 100% David

43:06

Lewis's vehicle, but it's part

43:08

of the story and it's

43:11

part that we need to

43:13

keep and examine. Well, just

43:15

to be clear, the eyewitness

43:17

didn't make contact with David,

43:19

so we just have to

43:21

assume that she saw a

43:23

person that she knows. Correct.

43:25

And then on top of

43:27

that, the... The credit post

43:30

is almost identical but with

43:32

the additional information that the

43:34

Potter County Courts Building is

43:36

on Fillmore Street in Amarillo.

43:38

Now he's an attorney, he's

43:40

a one-time judge, it wouldn't

43:42

be weird to spot his

43:44

vehicle outside of the county

43:46

courts building. Let's go to

43:49

Saturday. Now we're at Saturday,

43:51

January 30th. Someone deposited $5,000

43:53

into David Glenn Lewis's bank

43:55

account. Weird. Now we... Yeah,

43:57

well, and when we say

43:59

someone... That doesn't mean that

44:01

it wasn't David. Yeah, in

44:03

fact, there's a lot of

44:05

reports out there that state

44:07

that he deposited this.

44:09

Now, 1993, and I would argue

44:12

that even on some occasions

44:14

up to recently or even

44:16

to this day, depositing money

44:18

into someone's account, you may

44:20

not have to give a

44:23

great deal of identification. You

44:25

were a banker. You were

44:27

in high finance there, Captain.

44:29

How does this work? Because I know

44:31

that personally I have Deposited money

44:33

into someone's account and sometimes

44:35

they ask me for ID sometimes

44:38

they don't because you're right? Nobody

44:40

really cares what you're giving money,

44:42

right? Nobody really cares what you're giving

44:44

money They want to know who the

44:46

heck you are when you're taking money

44:49

out and this was not a withdrawal.

44:51

This was a deposit well sometimes

44:53

if somebody's giving money You

44:55

want to ask for their

44:57

information Meaning if an individual

45:00

went into David's bank

45:02

and said, hey, I want to put

45:04

$5,000 into this account. Here's

45:06

the account number. I'm not

45:08

going to question them. You want

45:10

to give money to this

45:13

individual. So I guess that

45:15

would be my question if I

45:17

was law enforcement. Was the deposit

45:19

slip made out? Was all

45:21

the information filled in? That's

45:24

something during this time period.

45:26

Most people did. cut to 25,

45:28

30 years later, now we don't fill out

45:30

the information so much ourselves, the

45:33

teller will do it for us, but

45:35

that's also why they have to

45:37

ask for our identification. So it's very

45:39

possible that somebody went in with

45:41

a deposit slip with the information

45:43

filled out and just gave the

45:46

deposit to the teller. If I'm also

45:48

in law enforcement, I'm asking the

45:50

teller, did you recognize the individual

45:52

that made this deposit? Yeah, do you

45:54

remember seeing somebody? Do you remember who it

45:57

was? Even if you can give a vague

45:59

description because If the if the banker

46:01

the teller is certain that it

46:03

was a woman or that it was

46:05

an African -American male or Somebody

46:09

that doesn't look like David at

46:11

all right, then Then that's

46:13

very easy to go Okay, that wasn't

46:15

David and look if if the person

46:17

$5 ,000 you think that it would

46:19

be in check form Right if that

46:21

it would be a check and well

46:23

that would help our story out quite

46:25

a bit here But it's not it

46:27

it must have been $5 ,000 straight

46:29

cash homie because We

46:32

don't seem to know who did who

46:34

made this deposit But the thing

46:36

we do know is whoever did it

46:38

David or otherwise The person knew

46:40

enough information even if it's just simply

46:42

knowing that that's his bank Be

46:45

a bank brand or franchise

46:47

the person went to the

46:49

right branch or the or maybe not

46:51

the right branch but the right

46:53

bank to Access

46:56

the account to put a

46:58

deposit in there a

47:00

$5 ,000 cash deposit not

47:02

so weird at that time period

47:04

I Would say it

47:06

would probably throw up some more

47:08

red flags in in today's world

47:10

To have a large

47:12

cash deposit as opposed to a

47:14

check Meaning more people

47:16

carried cash back then and yeah

47:18

a lot of people would sell

47:21

their cars to individuals in cash

47:23

So $5 ,000 want

47:26

to throw any red flags

47:28

up from for me But the

47:30

other question is a lot

47:32

of these tellers might not know their

47:34

regular their regulars

47:36

names, but they would

47:38

know their look and especially David's

47:42

look with those goofy

47:44

ass Jeffrey Tomer glasses.

47:46

Well, the other thing here,

47:48

too is Let's throw

47:50

this out there and this is why I

47:52

wanted to square up these this particular reddit

47:54

post with The

47:56

reports that made it to their way to

47:58

the newspaper at the time he was still

48:00

missing versus the time that

48:02

after he was identified as being

48:05

the man in Washington, which

48:07

if anybody out there knows zero

48:09

about this case, it is

48:11

definitive. They know that that was

48:13

David that they found there

48:15

because of DNA comparison. They

48:17

had saved a tissue sample

48:20

from that 93 unidentified case and

48:22

later compared it to DNA

48:24

that they took from David's mother

48:26

who assisted law enforcement in

48:28

making the identification. So the Reddit

48:30

post says January 30th, same

48:33

date, that this is the last

48:35

confirmed sighting of David, but

48:37

the poster says I couldn't tell

48:39

you who saw him. So

48:41

the newspaper report states a neighbor

48:43

saw Lewis's red explorer parked

48:45

at his home on the same

48:48

day, right? But doesn't say

48:50

I saw David, just that I

48:52

saw his vehicle, and I'm

48:54

assuming it's his vehicle because it's

48:56

the one he drove all

48:58

the time and it was parked

49:01

in front of his house.

49:03

And then it's also noted in

49:05

the newspaper report that the

49:07

vehicle that was similar, the red

49:09

Ford Explorer that was seen

49:11

prior parked downtown at the courts

49:14

building was no longer there.

49:16

So we don't know if it's

49:18

David that's moving this vehicle

49:20

around, but it stands to reason

49:22

at least that the vehicles

49:24

are one in the same. We

49:27

don't have definitive proof, but

49:29

we also have nothing saying that

49:31

they're not the same vehicle.

49:33

So the poster put $5 ,000

49:35

was deposited into his joint bank

49:37

account. Again, I can't tell

49:40

you which one's more factual. Maybe

49:42

the word joint is just

49:44

left out of the newspaper report,

49:46

but the joint bank account,

49:48

according to the Reddit poster was

49:50

shared with his wife. And

49:53

so that made me wonder, you

49:55

know, in some relationships, husband

49:58

and husband, wife and wife, husband and

50:00

wife, you have different persons sometimes

50:03

have different, let's call them

50:05

jobs, right? Like, you may be, the

50:07

husband may be the one that always

50:09

goes and does the grocery shopping

50:12

because maybe he likes it or

50:14

maybe he doesn't like it, but

50:16

his wife really hates it. Other

50:18

married couples, I know, I know some

50:21

friends that say their wives will

50:23

tell me joking like he doesn't

50:25

even know what bank we have.

50:27

You know, and they're joking obviously, but what

50:29

they mean is like, he doesn't go

50:31

to the bank, I go to the

50:33

bank, or I'm the one that gets

50:36

online and pays the bills. And so

50:38

I wondered with this joint bank

50:40

account, were they both

50:42

actively participating in deposits

50:44

and withdrawals inside the bank

50:46

or was just a wife? And maybe

50:48

the teller or tellers were clueless

50:51

what David Glenn Lewis looked like

50:53

to begin with? Right. So it

50:55

gets very dicey very quickly.

50:57

Now also if what gets

50:59

tricky to pull apart here is

51:02

all of these movements,

51:04

we can only truly say

51:06

up to this point that

51:08

the movements that we've discussed

51:10

were carried out by David

51:12

himself on that Thursday.

51:14

When he went to work, went

51:17

home sick, his credit cards

51:19

the one that fills up

51:21

the tank. for his vehicle,

51:23

the Redford Explorer, and then later

51:25

he goes and teaches a government

51:28

class at Amarillo College, which ends

51:30

at 10 p.m. These other

51:32

movements, the sighting at the

51:34

Southwest airline terminal, we can't say

51:36

1,000 percent that that's David,

51:38

but the friend believes that

51:40

it was. The vehicle being

51:43

parked outside of the courts

51:45

building, we can't say 100 percent,

51:47

1, 1,000 that that's David's vehicle.

51:50

Most people seem to believe that

51:52

it was. And then we see

51:54

the vehicle reported by a neighbor

51:56

as parked at his home on

51:58

January the 29th. The neighbor doesn't

52:01

see David. So we don't know that

52:03

it's David that moved that vehicle to the

52:06

driveway of his home Sunday

52:08

morning a sheriff's deputy noticed

52:11

a man who looked like David Lewis

52:13

standing across the street from the

52:15

courts building The officer

52:17

the deputy says that the man

52:19

was photographing a red Explorer Ford

52:21

Explorer This again parked

52:23

out front of the courts building. So

52:26

if it was David

52:28

Why would David be taking

52:30

a picture of his car? Parked

52:33

in the same spot that it was Was

52:36

it left there Friday?

52:38

Was it moved at all and why

52:40

the hell would he be taking pictures

52:42

of his own vehicle? Yeah, and

52:44

again the statement is parked

52:46

out front or parked

52:48

parked again out front I don't know

52:51

we shouldn't say the same spot,

52:53

but I get what you're you're getting

52:55

at it from from what these

52:57

reports are This vehicle is either in

52:59

the same spot or very near

53:01

where had been spotted prior This

53:04

is also the day that Mrs.

53:06

Lewis and their daughter returned and then

53:08

the reddit poster says January

53:10

31st David goes missing Because

53:13

remember this is when wife and

53:15

daughter returned and he's not

53:17

home. Yeah, but we again we have no

53:20

confirmation Siding of him

53:22

since Thursday So

53:25

to sum this up I know we went through

53:27

a bunch of details But to sum this

53:29

up on Thursday his wife

53:31

and his daughter leave to

53:34

go on this shopping trip

53:36

to Dallas He's gonna

53:38

stay behind because one he has to

53:40

work and then two It's

53:42

Super Bowl Sunday and the

53:44

Dallas Cowboys are in the Super Bowl So

53:47

he's gonna stay home and watch that we

53:49

have a confirmation Siding

53:52

of him teaching his class

53:54

Thursday night come Sunday

53:56

his wife and daughter return

53:58

and he's nowhere to be found. And

54:00

like you said, we we

54:02

now have it confirmed DNA

54:05

DNA where he we know

54:07

where he ended up

54:09

away dead because miles away a

54:11

car and we somebody hit him with a

54:13

car how he we have no evidence

54:15

of how he got to that road

54:17

in the first place. was I told

54:19

you it was bizarre. get You want

54:22

to get nuts? Let's get nuts. we

54:24

we have more details

54:27

to go through. go

54:29

have more known facts

54:31

to get into into, well

54:34

as some speculation about

54:36

this case in part

54:38

about this case in part two. Join us

54:40

back in the ground for part two, same

54:43

bat Join us back

54:45

in the garage for

54:47

part two, and until then...

54:49

until then, be good,

54:52

be kind and don't let her. you