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2:45

crime. The police

2:48

were tracking

2:50

down these

2:53

leaves. They

3:07

were following where the evidence was

3:09

taking them. This information

3:11

that they had gleaned from the

3:14

sales reports of these knives

3:16

had taken them to the doorstep of

3:19

Jim Parker and his parents. And

3:22

before even leaving the

3:24

Parker residence, some of

3:26

these other detectives, remember we said that

3:28

there were 30 plus

3:30

investigators working this case.

3:33

They sent other investigators to

3:36

the home of the Tullocks to

3:39

interview best friend

3:41

of Jim Parker, Robert Tullock. Remember

3:43

Jim told the police, I bought the two

3:45

knives for me and my buddy. One

3:48

was gonna be mine, one was gonna be his. This is

3:50

what we bought them for. They didn't work out well, so

3:52

we sold them. During that sit down,

3:55

the police aren't really trusting what Jim

3:57

Parker is saying because he looks so

3:59

nervous. In fact, one of

4:01

the detectives telling Jim Parker, look, I've been

4:03

doing this long enough. I can tell when

4:05

somebody's lying to me kind

4:07

of planting that seed of not calling

4:09

him a liar, not saying he's a

4:11

liar, not especially in front

4:13

of his parents, but planting that seed

4:15

of I kind of know you're not

4:18

telling me the whole story here. Right.

4:20

What we learn here, captain, is that

4:22

they did the right thing by sending

4:24

other investigators to talk to Robert Tullock

4:26

and his parents. You

4:28

want to keep these two separate, but

4:30

the reason for doing so in that

4:32

moment was not because

4:35

the detectives were

4:37

suspicious that Jim Parker had

4:39

killed the Xantops, not

4:42

because they were suspicious that even his

4:45

buddy Robert Tullock had killed

4:47

the Xantops. They somewhat

4:50

believed the story

4:52

of selling these knives to somebody

4:54

or at least giving these knives

4:56

to somebody else. Right.

4:58

In that moment, investigators

5:00

believed we're talking

5:03

about two high school kids here.

5:05

We think they know something that they're not willing

5:08

to tell us. We think they know who they

5:10

gave or sold the knives to. And

5:13

if we can find that person or persons,

5:15

that is very likely our killer. Now

5:18

the flip side of that coin

5:22

is you have detectives at the

5:24

home of Diane and Mike Tullock.

5:27

Robert, their son is home at that time as

5:29

well. So now we have a sit down going

5:31

on at the Tullock's home, very

5:33

similar to what was taking place at

5:36

the Parker residence. But if you're law enforcement,

5:38

you have to remember when you're at the

5:40

Parker's house, what do you see? A

5:43

green Subaru. Now

5:45

you're talking to his buddy, you're

5:47

at the Tullock's house and what

5:49

do you find? A

5:51

pair of hiking boots, same

5:53

size, same brand, same

5:56

brand. And again, it's a unique

5:58

brand. It's unique. New

6:00

York. You know what they're not seeing at the

6:02

Tulloch's house that they were seeing at the Parker's

6:05

is a very nervous teenager. This

6:08

Robert Tulloch was described as cool as

6:10

a cucumber. Yes, they found size 11

6:12

and a half hiking boots, same brand

6:14

that they were looking for and they

6:17

asked the Tulloch's, can

6:19

we take these hiking boots with us for testing? Yeah.

6:23

Father Mike says, look, those are my

6:25

son's boots. Should I get

6:27

an attorney here? What's my move

6:29

here? And the detective was

6:31

very cool as a cucumber as

6:34

well. Tells the father, look, if you say

6:36

the boots stay, they stay. If

6:38

you tell me that I can take them, we're going to take

6:41

them, we're going to test them and we'll give them back to

6:43

you. And so Father

6:45

Mike tells his son, Robert, these are

6:47

your boots. What do you say?

6:49

Robert says, go ahead and take them. So

6:52

they take the boots and Robert also

6:54

says, just like Jim Parker said, he

6:57

was willing to go down to the sheriff's

6:59

office and be fingerprinted. And

7:02

so he's there at the sheriff's

7:05

office. He sees his buddy Jim

7:07

there as well. They don't, they don't talk while

7:09

they're there at all, but they do see each

7:11

other and recognize that each other is at

7:14

the sheriff's office, both for the

7:16

purpose of getting fingerprinted. And I'm sure probably

7:18

some other questionings going on at

7:21

this time. Now police,

7:24

the authorities let both of

7:26

these teenagers go after

7:29

joining them at the sheriff's office for a bit. The

7:31

cops let both Robert and Jim go home with their

7:34

parents that day because really the reality

7:36

of it at that time

7:38

was despite all the signs pointing

7:41

strongly at these two boys

7:43

knowing something or being involved,

7:47

it seemed like the police needed

7:50

more to build their case or just didn't think that these

7:53

kids were vicious killers. Their high

7:55

schoolers, their parents loved them. They

7:58

seem to be responsible. respectful and

8:00

polite. We know the

8:03

police were wrong, at least in that moment. The

8:05

boys parents rightfully so had forbidden the

8:08

two of them to contact each other

8:10

until this whole thing got sorted out.

8:12

It appears that both parents thought

8:14

that this was just some kind of

8:17

misunderstanding, right? That the cops weren't being

8:19

rude or being bad cops. They had

8:21

evidence that led them to their sons.

8:23

Their sons are cooperating. They're cooperating. Well,

8:26

they seem like nice kids from

8:28

a nice family, nice community, popular

8:32

kids. It just

8:34

seems very strange. And what is

8:36

their connection to these

8:38

professors? None. There is none. And

8:40

then what is the connection to

8:42

even the college? None. To

8:45

the town of Edna. They

8:48

had never, as far

8:50

as the parents were concerned, they had

8:52

never been there. Their sons had never been

8:54

there. One thing that we

8:57

shouldn't, we need to make sure

8:59

that we don't miss here and is of note

9:03

is that Robert

9:05

Tullock had a pretty bad cut on

9:07

his leg. And

9:09

that of course did not go unnoticed

9:12

by the detectives. If I'm a detective,

9:14

I'm going, well, I'm looking into these

9:16

two kids and I'm getting

9:18

some yeses, but I'm getting some noes too.

9:22

But I need to keep them on the

9:24

radar. They're not supposed to have communication with

9:26

each other, but that's not what happens. Yeah.

9:28

If you're detectives, you're thinking, I have

9:31

their fingerprint information. I have their,

9:33

the boot, the boot. And

9:36

so now I'm going to, I'm going to take

9:38

this, give it to the people that can make

9:40

the comparisons and wait to

9:42

hear those results. But

9:46

they do. Yes. Captain's right. The

9:48

two, the two teenage sons contact

9:50

each other, even though

9:52

the parents said that they were not to speak to

9:55

one another. They, they do what every other teenager does.

9:57

You just wait till mom and dad fall asleep. and

10:00

do what you're told not to do. So they

10:03

make some communication via phone call

10:05

and it appears that

10:07

that is all they needed to

10:09

ignite the

10:11

two onto a get

10:14

out of dodge situation. We

10:16

do have John Parker, Jim's

10:18

father, who says that he

10:20

was sleeping, but then he

10:22

heard a vehicle

10:25

startup and he

10:27

runs to the window. He sees

10:29

Jim driving and pulling

10:31

out of the driveway. This

10:35

is a silver Audie that is owned by

10:37

the Parker family.

10:41

He quickly, John Parker, the father quickly

10:44

calls the Tollux right

10:46

to say, Hey, my son just took off

10:48

in our car. I'm guessing

10:50

he's probably going to your place to see your son.

10:53

The phone keeps ringing and ringing and ringing.

10:55

He tries a few different times. Nobody picks

10:57

up. If you're a little bit suspicious of

10:59

your teenage son

11:03

doing something very dumb and

11:05

very heinous, I think

11:07

your suspicions and your red flags,

11:10

all the alarm bells are going

11:12

off as your son

11:14

is leaving the house that night. Yeah. So

11:18

John finds a note left by Jim,

11:22

his son that says, I just had

11:24

to talk to Robert alone. I will

11:26

be back in the morning. Don't call

11:28

the cops. Again, another red flag. So

11:30

dad tries calling

11:32

the Tollux house. Nobody

11:34

answers. He hops in another

11:36

vehicle and drives out to the

11:39

Tollux home. And

11:42

now eventually we have parents talking

11:44

to parents face to face. John

11:47

Parker tells the Tollux about the note

11:49

that Jim had left. The

11:51

parents kind of agreed like, okay,

11:53

this makes some sense. Our kids

11:55

aren't used to being talked or interviewed by

11:58

detectives or police. They were just. at

12:00

the sheriff's office. Okay,

12:02

this makes some sense here. They probably just

12:04

wanted to talk, go somewhere and sort

12:07

some stuff out. And maybe they would be

12:09

back in the morning, just like Jim's note

12:11

indicated. They were not, they

12:13

did not come back that morning. Right. John

12:15

Parker calls the lead

12:17

investigator, Chuck West. This is at

12:19

11am and he says, my son

12:21

Jim is gone. So

12:24

an APB went out for Robert Tolic and

12:26

Jim Parker and that silver 1987 Audi 500

12:31

that they were driving with Vermont

12:33

plate CDG 690. So

12:36

officers from various agencies working the

12:38

case gathered to draft

12:40

search warrants, right? Because

12:42

now you're, these two teenagers are behaving

12:45

very suspiciously and appear to be on

12:47

the run. So you

12:49

are not waiting for test results to

12:51

come back at this point. Now you're

12:53

getting search warrants, but

12:55

all at the same time here, captain,

12:58

the lab reports do come back fingerprints

13:00

on the knife sheaths matched Jim Parker.

13:04

And of course he admitted to owning the

13:06

knives and he has no reason to be

13:08

there. No, the

13:10

sheets had been found in the room

13:13

with the dead bodies of Mr. And

13:15

Mrs. Zantop. Right. And now police had

13:17

confirmation that the knives Jim and Robert

13:19

had admitted to owning were in fact

13:21

the murder weapons Vermont

13:23

state police trooper Jocelyn

13:26

stole. She's

13:28

out driving and her cruiser, she's

13:30

rushing off to an unrelated emergency

13:33

call when she comes

13:35

across a car stuck in the snow on

13:37

Bethel mountain road. So this is, this

13:41

is the Aldi, the 1987

13:43

silver Aldi was stuck

13:46

on the side of the road after

13:49

it appears it had skidded on

13:52

a ice patch. The

13:54

two, there's two teenage boys dressed

13:56

in black standing outside of the

13:58

car. They agreed

14:00

to provide license and registration, but

14:03

something about them triggered Stull's

14:06

Spidey senses. She's

14:08

asking, you know, where are you going? They

14:11

say that they're going skiing. This

14:15

is a state trooper. She's like, sure,

14:17

you're going skiing. And the

14:19

ski mountain was, there is a

14:21

ski mountain in that area. It's

14:24

in the opposite direction of where they were traveling. So

14:26

that's a, that's a flag. Further,

14:29

the boys are not dressed for skiing and

14:33

the vehicle, there is no

14:35

skiing gear with them. Instead,

14:37

what she sees is two large

14:39

black backpacks bulging with something inside.

14:42

These are in the vehicle. The

14:45

boys were shifty and weird, Stull

14:47

ran their licenses, finds

14:50

no records, but she also

14:52

knew that there had been some burglaries in the area.

14:54

So this is what she's suspicious of that

14:57

these guys might, these teenagers might've been

14:59

breaking into houses, but

15:01

she was in a hurry. Remember she's got that other

15:03

emergency that she needs to

15:06

respond to. So she quickly

15:08

puts together a report and has to race off to

15:10

this other scene. The last line of

15:12

her report about this incident, finding the boys in

15:14

the vehicle on the side of the road reads,

15:17

my suspicions of criminal activity

15:20

were significant. Now

15:23

we have these search

15:25

warrants are in full effects right

15:27

now. We got searchers

15:29

tackling Robert's room. In

15:32

Robert Tollec's room, we have

15:35

Gary Lawrence, who

15:37

noticed a cardboard Florida

15:39

citrus box in the corner of

15:42

his room tucked in next

15:44

to a bureau inside of

15:46

this cardboard box. They

15:49

find some notebooks and other stuff. Other

15:52

than notebooks were two duct

15:54

tape bundles that turned out to

15:56

be a

15:58

mitten and a sock. inside

16:01

those that mitten

16:04

that was wrapped in duct tape and that sock

16:06

that was wrapped in duct tape they

16:09

find foot long SOG

16:11

seal 2000 knife in each in Robert's

16:17

haste to get out of

16:19

Dodge it appears

16:21

he had completely forgot to pack the

16:23

knives at the

16:25

murder scene the murders

16:27

completely forgot to leave the

16:29

scene with the sheaths here

16:32

these two kids appear to have taken off on

16:34

the run and by

16:37

the time that Robert realizes that

16:40

he forgot to bring the knives they're

16:43

already on the road he and Jim are

16:45

already on the road so now the police

16:47

are in possession of the suspected murder weapons

16:51

the boy story was that

16:53

they had sold these knives to some guy

16:56

well you know

16:58

that's not true Parker and Talaq

17:00

they're young and dumb mm-hmm other

17:03

item sees from both homes were

17:05

clothing computers notebooks writings

17:07

and a book about Hitler a

17:10

search of the Parker's green Subaru

17:12

yielded a floor mat that was

17:14

taken for testing it would come

17:16

back with positive with

17:19

positive blood evidence

17:21

and the blood belonging to Suzanne

17:23

Zantop so we have the fingerprint

17:25

evidence we have the boot print

17:28

evidence this is all matching our

17:30

two kids

17:32

suspects mm-hmm and now

17:35

we find the murder weapons in

17:38

their possession yes yeah it's it's in

17:40

the room of one of your suspects

17:42

bedroom of one of your suspects and

17:46

well and now we have these two

17:48

numb nuts they're on the run yeah

17:50

law enforcement so you're going to collect

17:52

this evidence and you're going to charge

17:55

both of these individuals with the

17:57

slayings even though that they are

17:59

not escape

46:01

that he was planning. So he

46:03

was sent to the state prison in

46:06

Concord and assigned a maximum security cell

46:08

in the secured housing unit until he

46:10

was deemed eligible to be returned to

46:12

gen pop. So for a while they

46:14

did, they were housed in the

46:17

same facility. Bootprint evidence, the

46:19

confessions, the murder weapons. That's

46:21

a lot. And look, that's

46:24

a thorough job by detectives and

46:26

by the New Hampshire state police,

46:28

the ball and, and

46:31

the, the sheriffs for catching them on the

46:33

run. Shout out to those boys in Indiana.

46:36

Yeah. Now, I

46:38

don't want to go too far down this road, but

46:41

the, there was a in 2012. So

46:44

the U S Supreme court made a ruling

46:46

in Miller V Alabama in 2012 after that

46:50

ruling, five New Hampshire cases came

46:53

under review based off of

46:55

that ruling off of that Supreme court

46:57

ruling. This, one of those

46:59

included Robert Tullocks. As

47:02

a result of that in 2014, a

47:04

superior court in New Hampshire ruled

47:07

that this applied retroactively to Robert

47:11

Tullocks case along with some others that

47:14

it would be up for review for resentencing

47:17

the state appealed, but the New

47:19

Hampshire state court affirmed. So

47:22

appeals by the defendants in the

47:24

other cases held up as well.

47:26

Robert is

47:29

currently scheduled for a resentencing hearing sometime in 2024. In

47:35

fact, it's originally scheduled

47:37

for Joe for July. So that

47:39

may have already happened. He may

47:41

have already been resentenced. As for

47:43

Jim in the fall of 2018, his

47:46

attorney petitioned the court for an

47:48

early release. Remember he would be

47:50

eligible for an early release or

47:52

reduced sentence after having served at

47:55

least 16 years of that original

47:57

sentence. The short of it

47:59

as much. this

56:00

case that really captured

56:02

everyone in that area during

56:04

this time. So if you

56:06

want to learn more, our

56:09

show, we dive deep into

56:11

these cases, but this one goes

56:13

super down into the depths of

56:16

this intriguing true crime story.

56:18

Check out Judgment Ridge, the

56:20

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